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Were "fan expectations" the problem?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Jaxxon, Feb 10, 2019.

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    I think this stems from my biggest complaint about TFA. If JJ would have left the scene in TFA where Korr Sella is sent to the Republic to get help for the Resistance it would have shown the ambivalence the Republic had towards the threat of the First Order. we would have had a better idea about the state of the galaxy and the uphill battle the Resistance was trying to take on.
     
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    No. People are overthinking the problem. The real issue is obvious - people are angry at the Last Jedi because it's a terrible film. I'm definitely not good at storytelling but even I know I could come up with a better story than the Last Jedi. That's why people are angry - we've had years to think up stories about what happened to luke, solo and the rest of the characters. We've had the EU, games and comics - we were all excited to see them come to life on screen. I was very happy when disney bought Lucasfilm and couldn't wait to see where they took the story. But all we got was a mess - this wasn't about expectations not being met, this is just a case of awful, awful story telling. One wasted opportunity after another - characters being handled in the worst possible way.

    The overall story for the sequel trilogy is dreadful - can you honestly tell me what's going on? Who is the main bad guy? Who are the good guys? Where is the drama knowing that Rey has beaten everyone? Wheres the tension? Who really cares about the new characters? Who is the first order, how big is the army? How big is the resistance? It's just one big mess. No one cares about the new characters so we were excited to see the old characters..yet all they are used for is to advance the story of the new characters...the ones no one cares about.

    It's not as deep as unmet viewer expectations - it's more a case of most of us KNOWING we could write a better story. Think about it, they had a blank slate, disney LITERALLY could have taken star wars anywhere and done anything....and this is the best they could come up with!?!? Like, really!!
     
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    Entirely disagree.
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    *great post award* | *disagree award*

    I think that sums up the film pretty well. lol

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    After TLJ.JPG
    This is Mark Hamill right after watching the Last Jedi for the first time.

    Do you known who he's mean-mugging?

    The director of that film.


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    Mark loved TLJ so much that renamed his character, JAKE SKYWALKER...
    "because Luke would NEVER do or say ANY of those things."

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    "People complaining about a Star Wars film? Imagine that!" - Mark Hamill

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    It’s almost like you can take a freeze frame of any interview and make it mean what want it to. So many people in still shots look either silly or angry.

    That said, Mark Hamill has be reported with multiple stances. Yes, he disagreed with what Rian did. It’s a character he played, and he has a right to an opinion, just as we all do in regards to Luke’s arc. That said, he said he put aside his thoughts of what could’ve been with Luke and done as RJ wrote.

    He’s also walked that back and said that what he said shouldn’t have been said in a way to get to the public, and that he also thought RJ did a good job. And we also learned the exile was George Lucas’s idea, so there’s that. Luke in TLJ can be a natural progression following RotJ, just as another path could have been. Funny how a single choice for a character can make such a big difference.
     
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    Luke in exile is also what TFA setup. From opening crawl to Han telling us that Luke ran away when his academy failed and Luke blamed himself. Han didnt say Luke needed a secret Jedi Weapon to defeat Snoke so he went to the 1st Jedi Temple to find it. No he said that Luke blamed himself and the people that know him best think he went to find the 1st Jedi Temple. The people that knew him best took an educated guess on where and why he left. They were partially correct. They were right on where, but wrong on why.
     
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    I'm just going to leave this here.

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    This is why you should never take Mark's comments seriously and his comments about ST should be moot. I would rather have Jake Skywalker than this idea.
     
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    Not sure I'm comfortable with the logic of "Mark Hamill had a bad idea about Boba Fett, ergo his Star Wars opinions are invalid."
     
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    When people say Mark has better "understanding" of his character than the directors but he pitched this idea in the past, it's hard to take him seriously especially the recent comments about the TLJ that people love to quote to death. The point is, don't take him seriously, I follow him on Instagram and majority of his posts are satire. Just like we don't know what George's true story of the ST, his idea of the ST has changed multiple times since the 70s til now.
     
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    Except it's pretty well established that Mark wasn't happy with his role in The Last Jedi. We know that much isn't satire from Mark. "The Director and The Jedi" deals with this pretty head-on. Would have Mark's ideas been better? Who knows. But when it comes to his TLJ opinions, I think we can safely take him seriously.
     
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    Here is of course the video of Mark a number of years back on Kevin Smith's show. In this he talks about how he pitched Luke going to the dark side. Interesting JJ Abrams is sitting at the table as well.


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    Take all of them seriously, including where he admitted that he was wrong.

    “I’ve had trouble accepting what Rian saw for Luke, but again, I have to say, having seen the movie, I was wrong.”
     
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    Then we''l have to take him seriously about every interview he's ever given since the time of Empire Strikes Back where he explains that he's personally not happy with the direction things are taking. Including the fact that they made a prequel trilogy when they did instead of making the ST they were supposed to make when he was the age Luke was supposed to be in it, according to him.
     
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    Thank you for conveying what I was trying to point out. People love to quote his disagreement but tend to ignore his apologies/mistakes and brush it off saying it was he was forced to change his comment from the powers above. You either take it all at face value or not, you can't pick and choose something because it's fits the agenda and ignore the rest of the context.
     
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    After two years of listening to silly comments like this I hope they just quit Star Wars. The new saga is going to be new ideas. If a person is going to be this silly about a film there's simply no way to keep a segment of the fans happy. Star Wars has to adapt or die.

    Disney is never going to make films to appease this group. If you're someone who can't get over it my advice is to find something you love, because you're going to hate Star Wars films going forward.
     
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    You could probably say the same about the PT. A segment of fans, those of us who grew up with the OT, complained. I enjoyed them but by about 2008 I'd moved on and really didn't watch them anymore, didn't read the books, etc...

    Some will, over time, probably come back and reevaluate the ST. Some may even find they like it. I mean our palette changes over time. I know I don't like the same things I liked 30 years ago. I recently tried to reread the old RA Salvatore books from the late 1980s about Drizzt and was like, wow, I really don't care for this. But when The Crystal Shard came out I really enjoyed it.

    If someone (or some people) don't like the ST, that's cool. I'm sure there will be other stuff they will like. Perhaps they enjoy The Mandalorian? It seems that, for the most part, about 90% of the fandom is really enjoying that show. I know I am. But to say they won't like it going forward? I wouldn't say that as I have no idea what they plan on doing going forward. I know they said something about some "Project luminosity" which sounds interesting, but who the heck knows what that means? I'd love to know what that is all about assuming anyone outside of LFL actually knows.
     
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    This is where I was, but I never spent anytime complaining about the films on forums or social media.
     
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