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What are the odds that Rian Johnson's trilogy gets cancelled?

Discussion in 'Rian Johnson's New Trilogy' started by darth sputnik, Dec 26, 2017.

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Will RJ's trilogy happen or not?

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    You might as well be screaming fake news the way you childishly dismiss anything that proves you wrong.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 10, 2018, Original Post Date: May 10, 2018 ---
    Don't be naïve. Hamill got in trouble for giving an honest opinion. I am generally a fan of all the new movies, I think TLJ is just okay, but you don't speak out against Disney. At least not when the movie is about to be or is freshly released. If he wants to say he didn't care for it 10 or 15 years down the line when he's no longer an employee, there wouldn't be a problem, but the guy spoke out against the movie before it was even released. If you think his "explanation" is anything other than damage control, you've got your head buried in the sand.
     
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    [mod edited] is a ridiculous post in a thread of very ridiculous posts.
     
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    Or maybe you're reading too much into things?

    Again, if your argument is "don't listen to what he's saying, clearly he's just appeasing BIG CORPORATION"... that sounds like tin foil talk to me, friend.

    Could it be true? Sure, I guess. But why not just let his words stand, Hamill's a big boy.
     
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    An unscientific poll that's easy to manipulate isn't proof. It's been discussed and debunked a week after the movie was released. It's basically only cited by trolls at this point.
     
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    Ironically, that's exactly what you and the other guy are doing with his first round of the comments. He said what he said the first time around. It's documented on film and in print. There's no denying it. It's not a maybe, there was definitely problems between him and Rian. To what degree, we don't know, but clearly something was going on. If you want to bury your head in sand, whatever helps you sleep at night.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 11, 2018, Original Post Date: May 11, 2018 ---
    You might want to go outside once in a while. Get some sun and fresh air.
     
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    ...

    You realize that I've acknowledged those comments. He's since clarified them. This is a really simple concept.

    It's fine if you don't believe what he's saying. But as of now, I think you're taking things severely out of context if you're completely ignoring the current explanations he's given.

    But hey, I guess Hammil's clarifications don't support the "Whine about TLJ" agenda as well, do they? So, far more fun to run with the conspiracy theory angle, I suppose.

    Good luck with that.
     
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    You don't even know how I feel about the movie, but I have an agenda? Riiiiiggghht....[​IMG]
     
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    i haven't been on much lately, but i'm going to reiterate what i've already said on this thread: there's no way RJ's trilogy will be canceled.

    Disney/Lucasfilm are gearing Star Wars up for post-Skywalker saga content (ep 1-9) right now and they need creative minds to get stuff moving. Favreau and Filoni are working on TV, RJ on a new trilogy, GoT guys on a film (or two); currently no one else is officially/publicly lined up to be creating new content, so firing RJ makes zero sense. there are no indications that RJ wil be fired; all arguments for this case seem to be based on Rotten Tomatoes, which is a laughable fact. I think there's a chance we could see a series of Solo/Lando films, or maybe a trilogy of Obi-Wan films, but they need to start branching off sooner or later and they need creative people to do that.

    mtfbwy!
     
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    One good thing about trolls is that they're easy to identify. It's probably a good idea not to feed this one any further.
     
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    While I think Rian Johnson working withput constraints was a catastrophic choice for episode VII, I think he might do well with the a new trilogy. It is evident from his previous work, comments and TLJ that he has talent and creativity. He struck me as a little too arrogant in regards to building upon the work of others. He dismissed JJ Abrams scipt ideas/plot threads, and seemed to go out of his way to create something that "subverted expectations". In my mind means that he was not so interested in the ideas or established characters that were not hos own, but wanted to make something that bore his mark. Those are good qualities when starting a trilogy from scratch. The same reasons that made him fail with the TLJ (if displeasing 1/3-1/2 of the audience counts as a fail) could make him good at something new.
     
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    He didnt dismissed all JJ ideas, they talked about it, JJ has said that he meet Rian a lot of times to discuss the plans of episode VIII, so at the end he was ok with what Rian did
     
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    My point is that RJ ditched all of JJ's ideas. I think this mirrors Hamills situation. Remember that both JJ and Hamill are professionals and know how to work within the industry and as colleagues. Still, Rian was mistaken in not listening to advice or building upon other ideas, TLJ would have been better off with a different mindset.

    Quoted from Daisy Ridley:

    ""Here's what I think I know. J.J. wrote Episode VII, as well as drafts for VIII & IX. Then Rian Johnson arrived and wrote TLJ entirely. I believe there was some sort of general consensus on the main lines of the trilogy, but apart from that, every director writes and realizes his film in his own way. Rian Johnson and J. J. Abrams met to discuss all of this, although Episode VIII is still his very own work. I believe Rian didn't keep anything from the first draft of Episode VIII."
     
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    This was all Daisy's conjecture and people take it as Bible. And if you read the quote, the language is quite clear: 'what I think I know', 'I believe', etc.
     
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    Not to mention dont people understand the difference between drafts and final. Rewriting a draft does not change the story line. Also why dont people pay attention to this sentence.

    "I believe there was some sort of general consensus on the main lines of the trilogy, but apart from that, every director writes and realizes his film in his own way."

    That tells me they had an outline for each of the characters. They knew where the main characters were going. Sure they change. After all JJ was going to kill off Poe right away. He changed that. People also ignore what JJ and other said well before TLJ. They ignored he said Rey's parents are not in TFA (no Luke, Leia, Han, etc.). They ignored Maz lines in TFA that said Rey's parents arent coming back. They ignored Daisy saying in November that she knew her parents were nobodies a month before TLJ released. She actually said that her parentage has not changed since she was involved.
     
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    Sure, Daisy could be wrong and remember incorrectly. Still, the alternative is that there was no real plan...which is almost worse if you are dealing with a trilogy with important cultural heritage. Anyways, it did seems that they at least changed scenes in TFA to comply with Rians plot, examplified with the floating boulders around Luke.

    https://www.inverse.com/article/40133-star-wars-luke-skywalker-force-last-jedi-force-awakens-ending

    We will probably never know for certain...perhaps in som later interviews after IX has been released.
     
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    I don't think Daisy didn't remember correctly or, Force forbid, lied. I just don't think that she has all the info, that's all.

    The plan existed since 2014 and everyone ignores it:

    http://www.slashfilm.com/kathleen-kennedy-interview/

    So, these J.J. 'treatments' might be just part of the conversations they were having.

    Another scene J.J. changed for Rian was that R2 went with Luke instead of BB-8 as he planned.

    If they didn't change that scene with Luke (with boulders), that would mean his connection with the Force was intact, that he would have known that Han and billions of others died, and still did nothing. I cant' see how that would have been better, for both the 'lovers' and 'haters' of TLJ.

    But, as you said, we might never know all. Oh, to be a fly on the wall of Lucasfilm...
     
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    Right. When a studio makes these films they do these "treatments" and they plot out every possible outcome then decide from there the best direction.
     
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