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What are the odds that Rian Johnson's trilogy gets cancelled?

Discussion in 'Rian Johnson's New Trilogy' started by darth sputnik, Dec 26, 2017.

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Will RJ's trilogy happen or not?

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  1. Shadowblade

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    I really don’t think you grasp what I am saying at all. It is hard to have a discussion if you prefer to attribute opinions on to others. People that are critical generally don’t care about color at all..that is the assumption sadly made by people who liked it and can’t see what made it great others. People do care about changing the formula. Which they certainly did, whether you speak in caps or not. From the humour, to internal logic, to iconic characters, to the hero archetype. Hell, even big action scenes and space battles. Those things, believe it or not, will have a different appeal to different audiences on a general group basis.
     
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    maybe you can speak more to this.
    because when i watch TLJ, it reaffirms in every conceivable way the hero archetype.
    what do you think is changed?
     
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    [​IMG]

    Move that goalpost all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that these are your exact words.

    If you want to discuss other factors, that's fine. But you can't just lump everything in, then continually pretend like I'm not understanding you.

    I totally understand you.

    I'm just not falling for it.
     
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    Ok...so, are you saying my exact words are not correct? Why don't you have a look yourself and decide whether or not that is a true statement or not?

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.n...ent/y97yckktdc/tabs_OP_Star_Wars_20151218.pdf

    I understand that you would like to have a near 50-50 split in gender. Do you want an even divide on all attributes...exact same on age groups, and political standpoint as well? (Well, then you are in luck, the last seems even) I am trying to tell you that it realistically is hard to do while not losing some of the appeal for other long time fans. The "easy" solution might be to just shrink the total fanbase. The director might choke on his ambitions, so to speak.
     
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    I'm saying that regardless of the veracity of your claims- who cares?

    Why should we pander to racists?
     
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    I am sorry, but this appears to go in circles. You just highlighted a comment of mine which is an actual fact...and now you don't care about the veracity anymore.

    If you just go back to your strawmen argument about a non-existent racism as the basis behind the demise of the fan base, there apparently will be no fruitful discussion here.
     
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    I really can't believe that Solo only made 320 million dollars world wide. Maybe because it was a standalone film? I know a lot of people will be skipping Ant-man and the Wasp cause its not a major MCU film. I just can't believe a Star Wars film only made 300 million dollars world wide. Has Rian really disenchanted fans so much so that they have boycotted this film? Well I don't know... only thing I know for sure is that I sat in the theatre after seeing TLJ and wanted more, I fully enjoyed that film and I'm looking forward to his trilogy. The only way Rian's trilogy is cancelled in my book is if episode 9 crashes and burns behind TLJ backlash but I think that fans have no problem with JJ so I think EPIX is safe. If RJ's first film in the trilogy tanks I'd say KK and RJ are done... don't want them to be but that will be ignition that will set forth new leadership. I for one am rooting for RJ. I hope he hits it out the ball park so much so that TLJ's backlash is behind us finally. I don't want the world to burn... I don't want Star Wars to burn... I'm a fan... I know if you are a fan you complain cause you want the best for your beloved franchise... but come on I want an OB1 film... some StarWars fans are on a misguided crusade and by god it must cease...
     
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    I'm a middle aged white male from a Southern US state who abhors heavy handed politics in films. I just don't get all the SJW complaints and to me this appears to be coming from a tiny segment of the population who are better at making noise online than that effecting box office. I'm sure there are some people who didn't like the TLJ who will come out to see Episode IX. I thought AotC was dreadful, but I still came out to see the next film. It's the hyperbole that's annoying to me.
     
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    It's a great shame for SOLO and for all the people involved in the film as I think it's one of the better Star Wars films. From it's announcement I thought it would be Lucasfilm's biggest risk so far, making an origin story of one of the most iconic character in Star Wars and having another actor trying to live up to Harrison Ford's portrayal of Han Solo.

    There have been factors which have affected SOLO, production problems, some fans didn't want this film and won't give it a chance, the marketing for it was poor and then there is the backlash from TLJ.

    I think Disney/Lucasfilm have underestimated the effect TLJ has had on the fans, thinking that it's just a small vocal minority who didn't like RJ's film but I see it as more of a split down the middle. A split that is still fresh in the minds of fans and that has hurt SOLO which maybe should have been pushed back until December.

    As I have said in my previous post, as long as KK is at the helm of Lucasfilm then RJ's trilogy will go ahead regardless of fan opinion and as a Star Wars fan I will go the Cinema to see it and hope that it's great, that's despite my disappointment in TLJ.

    However if KK steps down before RJ starts shooting his first part then I can see his trilogy getting canned.
     
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    This idea that Kennedy is the only reason that Rian Johnson got his own trilogy is silly. Like she's imposing this guy on the fans or something. It seems to me only the die hard fans came out to see Solo. It's the general audience who didn't come out and that's not on Rian Johnson. He made a film they loved.
     
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    Im sure she barged in on Bobby Iger and demanded a Rian Johnson trilogy!
     
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    To be fair Kathleen Kennedy is the reason Rian Johnson got his own trilogy, she makes the decisions and remember he got his trilogy before TLJ hit the cimemas!

    I doubt KK would have ever imagined TLJ would be so divisive, she thought it would be as big a hit as TFA if not bigger, that's why RJ was given his trilogy before TLJ was released, that and that RJ is the only director other than Ron Howard that she hasn't had issues with.

    Announcing a RJ trilogy before TLJ release was a mistake, so now his trilogy will definitely go ahead unless KK steps down at Lucasfilm. If that happens then his trilogy isn't a certainty.

    As for SOLO, well R1 came out on the back of TFA and was a box office hit. SOLO came out on the back of TLJ and has been a box office flop despite it being one of the better Star Wars films. TLJ has had a negative impact.
     
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    Oh, you work for Disney and know the inter-workings between Kennedy, Iger and Lucasfilm? It's nice to have an inside source here at the Cantina!
    A bigger hit than TFA!!? I don't think she's dumb. No one who understands the film industry expected TLJ to surpass TFA.
    This is so ludicrous. It's a mistake because a tiny vocal minority is upset. People a talk about TLJ like it bombed. It's a strange disconnect from reality. Most people love/like the film.
    The audiences and critics disagree with your opinion. Rogue One scored higher with both critics and audiences. The recommend scores were much higher with TLJ and Rogue One.

    It's fine, you don't like Rian Johnson, but let's quit acting like Rian Johnson is to blame for Solo's problems when that claim is tenuous at best and mostly likely wishful thinking.
    Based on how Iger casually drops information about Star Wars on every PR call and the fact these movies have to pitched to him for final approval his imput on these films has been largely understated. Nothing his happening without his approval. Iger isn't going to magically stop liking Rian Johnson if Kennedy decides to leave.
     
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    This is the only thing, really. Most everything in the industry is actually decided based on this.
    If you have a crap working relationship, you can be skipped over even when you bang the buck through the roof. If you have a great working relationship, you can trip and fall short and still find more offers from the same folks.
    One can imagine, then, how much potential exists for maintaining future projects when there is a good working relationship and a financially successful film.

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    Also, Abrams gets along fine with Kennedy.
     
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    Wow! You really seem to be taking my views and opinions to heart.

    Unfortunately I don't have a source at Lucasfilm/Disney, I really wish I had. My point is that KK runs Lucasfilm and would have been influential in RJ getting his trilogy, Iger might be the person signing it off but does it not stand to reason that he makes these decisions based on Kennedy's recommendations?

    I don't think it was inconceivable that Kennedy thought that TLJ could replicate or surpass the success of TFA.

    Why is this ludicrous? RJ was given a trilogy before TLJ was released, what if TLJ had bombed, would he still have got his trilogy had in not already been announced? Now I'm not saying that TLJ bombed, it was a big box office success but a lot of that is down to the success and set up of TFA. I never once doubted that TLJ would be a box office hit based on that alone.

    I disagree with your views that it is a tiny vocal minority that didn't like TLJ. I think it is a much bigger split than you think, regardless of movie site scores.

    I didn't say SOLO has scored higher than R1 or TLJ, my point was that they were released riding high on the success of TFA whereas SOLO is suffering in part due to the divisiveness of TLJ.

    I have never once said that I don't like Rian Johnson, overall I really don't like TLJ. Rian Johnson is a fine director, I loved LOOPER and there are aspects of TLJ that I did like. It is a visually stunning film with amazing acting. I have also said that RJ's trilogy could be amazing and that I would be there opening night for Part 1 hoping that it is!

    You don't think the backlash from TLJ has anything to do with SOLO's poor Box office performance, well I do and we are just going to have to agree to disagree on that.

    This thread is about whether on not RJ's trilogy will get cancelled. As I've already said, my opinion is it won't get cancelled if KK remains in charge at Lucasfilm, if she steps down then it might get cancelled.
     
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    People need to understand one thing - Kathleen Kennedy is not the only decision-maker when it comes to SW films. There are two other guys without whose permission no film under Disney umbrella can get made, especially as high-profile as Star Wars - Alan Horn and Bob Iger, Kennedy's superiors. Had they had a problem with Rian, they wouldn't have said "Rian, here you have $700+ million, go make a trilogy of films about whatever you want, as long as they're Star Wars." Had they not liked a prospect of three more films made by or in collaboration with this guy, they wouldn't have allowed him to do such a thing.
     
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    LucasFilm Ain't Said This Was 'Canceled'
    Not Yet.

    So ...

    ON, it Goes.
    'til Told Otherwise.

    Period.

    What 'others' ... "think" ... ???

    Yep.
     
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    For me Solo is actually nearer the bottom of the franchise. Still a really good flick but I'd only rank the Lucas prequels below it.

    I tend to think for most Solo is a mid tier movie in context of a Star Wars film. It is competent but does nothing great nor much poorly.
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    This is likely danced around because detractors instinctively grasp that taking on Iger is not only too big a bite to chew but fairly likely to create pushback they can't answer on their positions even if was just from Iger himself because his position is that strong.

    It's craven though, it is an admission that they just pettily want a pound of flesh but know the direction likely remains the same and will swallow whatever the boss wants as long as new names and faces are attached.
     
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    That's probably because the film doesn't have any real hyper-focused inner character conflict.

    Solo doesn't follow this:
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    Instead, Solo more follows this:
    [​IMG]

    Meaning; there's not much of an inner journey for Han in Solo. He's effectively the same person at the end as he was at the beginning, and he doesn't radically change his world view from A to B. He's no Neo from the Matrix arc.
    Instead, he more or less just refines his already present views and skills over the course of the film - more like watching a character in a game go from Level 1 to Level 20.

    For those who enjoy a solid romp in a pulp-fiction style of structure, then Solo's going to be good to go.
    For those who want some more meat and potatoes in the character examination and want to see character's really dive through an inner journey defined by the outer journey, Solo's going to fall flat.


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    You don't think so I think it fits relatively well.

    Stage 1- Setup: This is what is referred to as the "normal world". Or rather, Han on Corellia. Obviously he's already making moves to get off the planet, but I think that's implied that's part of his normal world too. He's not happy there, and wants to leave with Qi'ra.

    Stage 2- New Situation I see this in Han on Mimban, as he wants to be with Beckett's crew.

    Stage 3- Progress: The train heist, obviously. Han jeopardizes the entire mission due to his old values (See bottom of this post for a brief point on that).

    Stage 4- Complication, higher stakes: The introduction of Crimson Dawn, the Kessel heist

    Stage 5- Final Push: Controntations on Savareen (particularly the ones with Voss and Beckett).

    Stage 6- Aftermath: The final Sabaac game





    I think part of the reason Han doesn't feel like he develops in this film for some people is the complicated nature of his character in ANH.

    He's pretty jaded and toughened in A New Hope, yet after only knowing Luke/Leia/the Rebellion for a very short time, he ends up risking all and returning as a hero at the end of the film. Clearly, there's a lot more to him than simply a jaded rogue.

    Solo has the challenge of trying to show how Han got so jaded, with still trying to balance his later characterizations, too. They can't make him too edgy, because then he would be more similar to the start of ANH, but if they make him more lovable and responsible then he's the Han of ROTJ. By making him an optimistic goofball, they've sort of managed to make a new Han entirely. Plus, of course, he still has room to grow if Solo gets a sequel.
     
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