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What B&W Can Bring to Star Wars

Discussion in 'Benioff & Weiss's Film Series' started by cawatrooper, Feb 9, 2018.

  1. zazeron

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    maybe the sith can be secularist...maybe the jedi are consulting with the rich of society to shove their religion down the republics throats via political lobbying....showing the corruption of religion and money in politics
     
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    I hope they bring this.
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    You're right. This whole, complex world with all the "players" in the "game of thrones" comes from GRRM. But then again, GRRM is also the main reason why the series just can fail. Obviously, GRRM had lost the focus in his writing and introduced so many places, so many plot lines and so many characters, that there is no possibilty for an ending that can live up to the complexity of the middle part of GRRM's story. But while the storyline of the game is so elaborated, the background story with the white walkers, which is the story everything has to lead into, is very simple. And at the end, in this war against the white walkers, many of the introduced plots can't help turning out unimportant. Additionaly, the very slow storytelling of the middle books, that is - e. g. in the case of the long roads - arranged in the worldbuilding, was maybe good for the middle part of the story, but isn't helpful when you try to tell a story finale. My guess is, that GRRM himself has realized, that there is no good way to tell a worthy finale out of the story that he has told until now.
     
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    I am 'Late to the Party' as You'uns say ...
    So, What Can David and Dan 'bring' to Star Wars ????

    Well, as I take this ?
    They Each Are Fans.
    They Told us so.
    Take it as Just that, They Are Like US.
    They Want to Tell Us Stories.
    NOT Yours .. ... Theirs.
    A Time yet from Now.

    Who Wants to Be Told a Story ???
     
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    @Alamact had the right idea doing something like this! Even if only canon adjacent, Darth Saber is one of my favorite Sith Lords ever because of it.

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    In it the Sith are the underdogs, but it's done so in a way you would not expect: ~The Republic is puppeteered by a decadent tyrant that you are actually not even sure if he is a tyrant or if he just has the Republic's best interests in mind (which happens to be its survival), the Empire is casually throwing away their citizens at the war effort because the war has been going so long there's hardcore attrition on both sides and we see it all through the eyes of just these regular (innocent) imperial citizens caught in the crossfire.

    I would LOVE it if we got to see that adapted into a feature film someday. Just The battle of Corellia alone would have major potential to play out like a Star Wars version of "Saving Private Rian" and it would be great to have a Jedi villain for a change!!
     
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    SO MUCH YES TO THIS!

    It makes it kinda tragic, doesn't it?? The Sith that are seeking vengeance against the Jedi in the prequels are spiritual descendants of people who were just slaughtered in what must have been the Jedi Order's darkest moral chapter. In a way it makes Palpatine's plan for revenge ALMOST justified.
     
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    I think it's interesting that the stewards of Star Wars see "Game of Thrones" as a mine to harvest talent and direction from.

    I never liked Game of Thrones personally, there's nothing I hate more than generic fantasy settings with fake "mid-Atlantic" accents. I get why the franchise is popular and there's some great talent involved in it and I can also see why the folks involved with Star Wars see the acting/directing talent there as valuable for their own franchise.

    To me, I worry this might signal a desire to make Star Wars a "darker" brand, catering to those folks who insist Dark Knight was the best iteration of Batman ever. Who love plot twists, even if the characters/theme producing those twists are underdeveloped. That love power struggles and coup-d'etats story lines, which seems to be at the core of GoT.

    So I see lots of factions struggling for power in the galaxy, a lot more moral ambiguity between all sides and a real focus on "OMG I never saw that coming", while watching the film. Seems to me, GoT has this as a vital part of their trademark.

    Foo on the idea of revisiting "The Old Republic". I loved the original KOTOR. I liked the Revan story. I even played the MMO for a while and at times was happy with its narrative and style.

    But it's all old news and it has the same problem the current setting has: too much history. The problem with too much history is it can hamstring future decisions. If you make a sequel to Wizard of Oz, you're going to have to accept it's general "munchkin" style and optimistic theme. You can't suddenly turn the franchise into something a 20-something disaffected male is going to want to consume. It's why "Wicked" worked and that garbage Oz film with James Franco did not.

    Star Wars has to be recognizable, or you are throwing away a dedicated audience who has proven time and time again will make money for you, if you simply give them something that looks and feels like the franchise they already know and love.

    That doesn't stifle creativity either, it can enhance it in some cases.

    It's hard to say though, because if the current brand management of Star Wars is guilty of anything, it's this underlying desire to map the brand to Marvel's current template. Call it the "Feige" model if you want. And if there any tea leaves to speculate on right now, I think we should look for hints that there will "narrative synergy" between each new project.

    That's really the vital question: How much are the new projects going to synchronize and become symbiotic? How much will the new Netflix series inform the new triologies? How reflective of the main cinematic narrative will be integrated into the cartoons, novels and comics? If the answer is "a lot", then I think these projects succeed if the answer is "not all, each project is atomic", then I think we're in trouble.

    Because if Star Wars ends up being, "all over the map" in terms of direction, characters, universes and theme, I think we'll lose your ordinary fan. These films are not supposed to be complicated, cumbersome or shocking. Star Wars is mostly about wonder, adventure and escape but most importantly immersion into a world so far from our own, we can allow ourselves to get lost in it and enjoy that brief amount of time away from our real-life worries and problems.

    But in order to achieve that escapism, Star Wars must remain immersive and recognizable. It has to be fun, not dark or complicated like GoT. And I expect given Kathleen Kennedy is one of the smartest managers in cinema that this is exactly what we'll get.
     
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    As a Force ghost, of course. :D
     
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    I'm not sure why some folks act as if these guys have NO idea how to do anything that isn't R rated. If you read the books, that's on Martin. The books are quite explicit in many ways. Sure, they played some of it up, probably trying to generate some controversy. But they obviously have taken and don't need to rely on boobs and controversy to tell a story.

    I think their experience as show runners is what they really bring to the table. They have experience hiring directors, some experience writing and even directing as well. All of this bodes well for the future.

    It's not a popular opinion I'm sure, and it isn't even in the cards, but I'd love to see them remake the prequels. I would love to see them handle the political angle. Again, I'm not saying its gonna happen (and not trying to start a rumor), just thinking out loud. Seeing them handle Anakin's fall would be cool. Oh well. I'm sure whatever they do will end up being pretty cool.
     
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    I liked it when The Empire Strikes Back really was B&W (black and white).
    Few people know or realise that the Star Wars saga is a remake of an even older saga!
     
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    If they do the Old Republic era well, I'll be the happiest fanboy. Do we know what they're possibly working on?
     
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    These two gentlemen have a knack for dark, gritty, medieval stuff. It would be perfect for an Old Republic show or something dealing with the Sith. I would jump on my desk and cry in happiness if that’s the case. I am happy with Star Wars the way Disney has handled it so far, but I fear they are making too many rebels vs. empire type of conflict. I would like filmmakers to delve into another era, another “kind” of Star Wars, so to speak than that simple aforementioned dichotomy.
     
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    "Disney is not interested in the “old times” due to their lack of legal possession of KOTOR. " @Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi I wonder then, since they seem to be well suited for a KOTOR type of feel, then what era would they set it in? Thoughts?
     
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    sex
    blood
    incest
    more sex
     
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    After all the backlash SWR trailer is getting for looking childish? Yes, that's exactly what SW franchise needs - blood, violence, mutilation, sex, incest etc. The "fans" would still hate it, but seeing 40+ yo men complain that something is too "mature" would be even more amusing, than seeing them hating a Disney channel cartoon for being "kid oriented" :)
     
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    I've said this before, but there's no reason to expect that B&W's series will be Star Game of Throne Wars (tm); both filmmakers have done many things besides GoT, vastly different things*, and its be reasonable to think the pair might want to do something else than a GoT reskin after TVshow ends. Neither Benioff nor Weiss are one-trick tauntauns!
    *Including crime shows, psychological thrillers, poignant dramas, sitcoms, to name some very different things.

    I wonder if some people are setting themselves up for disappointment (and the inevitable "fan backlash") by expecting, nay demanding a GoT style SW series full of sex and murder and clashing phalanxes of lightsaber-men set in the Old Republic. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see shows set in the distant past (to the OT) but it is way too early to expect that B&W are planning such a thing. They could have completely different stories on their minds and until we learn more, having any expectations is dangerously premature and could likely to set one up for disappointment.

    The only think I expect is that the B&W series is going to be great Star Wars! :D
     
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    I agree their storytelling dexterity varies from season to season and within seasons, but keep in mind all the value they've brought to the table as showrunners over a complex project, specifically in their ability to gather talent, from the production dept to the casting to the directors and musicians etc. They're very good with the tone and textures of world-building. I feel pretty confident in their ability to pull off something on the scale of a cinematic trilogy.

    I also agree there's been a noticeable dip in pacing and coherence since GOT surpassed the books in chronology, but I don't see this necessarily as an indication that they aren't good when left to their own devices -- because they're not really left to their own devices. They're having to tie up a bunch of loose ends someone else created. I'm sure it's awkward and difficult, especially within a framework where they were previously functioning more like editors or even fan-critics, selecting material that resonates the most for them personally and translating it into a different medium. I'm sure there's a lot of uncertainty and second-guessing as they try to wrap it up. I'm actually looking forward to seeing what they do when they have a relatively clean canvas. Sure, it might be clumsy, but it might also be something truly great.
     
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    Hopefully some creativity, for once. We've had a supreme shortage of that since 2015.
     
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