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What do you like about the Prequels?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Rebo, Sep 19, 2014.

  1. Rebo

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    After seeing some spirited discussions devolve into name calling and flaming, I wanted to start a thread here to see if there is anyone else out there like me.

    I don't love the PT, but I don't hate it either. I think it has significant issues, but there are also things I love about it. I'm right inline with all those who criticize the acting, writing, sense of humor, and some basic plot decisions. But there are also things I love that make the movies enjoyable for me to watch.

    - I love John Williams score (even if it was butchered).
    - I love the world building. The detail and artistry that went into designing worlds like Coruscant, Naboo, and Utapau.
    - I love that Lucas and his team designed back stories and unnecessary details to make the world feel more real. From caste systems on Utapau to the different districts of Coruscant, a lot of thought was put into these places.
    - I love Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid for finding ways to chew scenery and give believable performances under difficult circumstances.
    - I love the deep politics and scientific backgrounds that Lucas developed (even if they were sometimes over-explained)
    - I love Order 66. the concept that the storm troopers we feared in the OT were the very thing that betrayed and ruined the jedi order was a great idea.

    I'm sure more will come to me. Maybe I'm alone. I wish so much had been done differently, but this is a positive thread for those who view the movies negatively. What redeeming qualities make you keep watching?
     
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    I think Ewan's Obi-wan is the best thing about the PT. I'm so so so glad that Obi-wan just strait up laid the smackdown on Anakin in RotS. I was afraid they were going to make Obi-wan cheat or use a cheap trick in order to beat Anakin. Nope! He just sliced him up, fair and square.(ben)
     
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    1. John Williams score
    2. The Politics of the PT, as it makes the Star Wars Universe much bigger.
    3. Obiwan's character, as McGregor does a good job to match up to the great Alec Guinness.
    4. Count Dooku's character as I am a big Christopher Lee fan.
    5. Probably the best moment of the PT was when Obiwan is looking out at the Clones on Kamino, and it is foreshadowing the birth of the Empire with the music playing in the backround.
    6. I liked the Darth Maul/Obiwan/QuiGon Lightsaber Battle in TPM, as the music blends well with the action.
    7. I liked Palpatine's arc in the PT, as he rose to power the same way Hitler did. (Lucas was a huge WWII fan)
     
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    I love a lot of things about the prequels but my favorite is Ewan Mcgregor's Obi-Wan. I really believed that he was a younger version of the one we saw in the originals. The line "Well, then you are lost!" during the Anakin v Obi-Wan fight is one of my favorite quotes of all six movies.
     
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    Liam Neeson was fantastic as Qui-Gon Jinn, and the character was given dialogue that actually worked. That was great.

    But there was one aspect of the prequals that was even better.

    Darth Maul!

    Intimidating, mysterious, and played by an actual martial artist/stuntman (in your face, Dooku!), Darth Maul totally made The Phantom Menace.
     
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    I basically agree with all you wrote. For me it was also seeing those things that had been merely a part of the mythology -- like the Jedi Order itself -- in all their glory. It really enhanced the sensation of what was truly lost when the Republic was reformed into the Empire, and why those of the Rebellion were so adamant to restore some of the ideals and conditions of before. And it brought some more sense to the little things, like why lightsabers and those that could wield them were looked on with a mix of reverence and caution.
     
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    I will try to exclude items already mentioned

    -Anakin vs Dooku on the separtist ship and the use of sand people cries following
    -conversation between Anakin and Palpatine at the opera
    -every action scene in AOTC before Geonosis (but including arena scene) ignoring the dialog
    -Every scene with Darth Maul, especially scenes on Tatooine
     
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    Like many others, I too think the prequels have their flaws, but they have some very cool aspects as well.
    What I loved (in no particular order) was-

    -The performances of Ewan and Ian

    -Darth Frakking Maul

    -John Williams music. The Duel of Fates Score during the Maul-Jedi Lightsaber fight was epic

    -The opening battle of ROTS

    -Buzzdroids (minor, but very neat little weapons)

    -Jedi Starfighters in ROTS (love the fold-out wings, and TIE windshields)

    -Epic planetary scenery

    -When Yoda and the Cavalry show up in the arena on Geonosis in AOTC, and the ensuing battle (the image that
    was like a sandstorm with blaster bolts and clones everywhere, was awesome)

    -Christopher Lee as Dooku.

    -Hayden did manage to have a couple of good scenes. One being after Anakin Slaughters the Sand People. His
    description of what he had done, and his proclamation "I Hate Them!", was chilling...
     
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    When I saw Phantom Menace on opening night, I didn't think the movie felt like Star Wars. I have come to accept them as the new normal now, but back then I was so conflicted.

    One thing you can say is George Lucas didn't play it safe when it came to settings, worlds, plot and characters. Most people would have put a shiny new millennium falcon in there somewhere and not been as inventive.

    I disregarded the prequel movies for many years as not REAL Star Wars and stopped being interested in Star Wars at all. It was after I started watching Clone Wars that I got a new appreciation for the prequels: they are live action serial cartoons.

    I enjoy watching them now especially for Obi wan's character arc and the ship designs. Yeah they don't have the strength of character and tight focus of the OT but I think they are pretty awesome.

    I can laugh at all the ridiculous stuff and enjoy the cool parts just like I do with the OT.
    Anakin comes across as ULTRA CREEPY in his love scenes with Padme though and I doubt I'll ever get over that! Lol!
     
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    What do I like?

    TPM

    - The jedi landing and scaping from the Trade Federation ship;
    - Trade Federation troops landing in Naboo (the invasion);
    - Pod Racing;
    - Watto;
    - Sebulba;
    - Darth Maul ans his saber;
    - Journey trough the core with the bongo;
    - Naboo Starfighter;
    - Battle Droids;
    - Neimoudians;
    - Queen Amidala outfits;
    - Qui-Gon vs Maul in Tatooine;
    - Obi-Wan/Qui-gon vs Maul;
    - "At last we reveal ourse...." scene (Sidious and Maul)
    - Battle droids preparing for the battle against gungas;
    - P.S: Forgot to mention the sound track, one of my favorites from all 6 movies.

    AOTC

    - Opening scene (queen's ship and the clouds of Coruscant);
    - All the Obi-Wan's investigantion about the clones;
    - Kamino;
    - Kaminoans;
    - Jango looks nice;
    - Obi-Wan;
    - Asteroid Field fight (Obi-Wan vs Jango).
    - Scene os Dooku meeting Sidious in Coruscant.

    ROTS

    - Obi-Wan;
    - Boga;
    - Pau'An;
    - Felucca;
    - Scene with Palpatine explain about the force and Plagueis to Anakin;
    - Final scene with the twin suns.
     
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    Here's mine.
    TPM
    Seeing Obi Wan & Qui-Gon igniting their lightsabers for the first time.
    Them meeting Jar Jar for the first time.
    Palpatine's intro.
    Maul appearing on the hologram.
    Padme meeting Anakin for the first time.
    The Boonta Eve classic.
    Anakin's first meeting with the jedi council.
    The battle between the gungan & droid armies.
    The handi-cap lightsaber duel.
    The peace moment in Naboo.

    TATOC
    The chase through Coruscant Underworld.
    Anakin meeting Padme again.
    Obi Wan asking Yoda for help in finding Kamino infront of the young jedi padawans.
    Obi Wan visiting Kamino & meeting Jango Fett.
    The jedi vs Droid army battle on Geonosis.
    Anakin & Padme secret wedding in Naboo.

    TROTS
    R2 vs Seperatist droid.
    The Iron Fist being crash landed on Coruscant.
    Padme revealing she is pregnant.
    Anakin revealing his vision of Padme's childbirth death to her.
    Obi Wan vs General Greivious
    Order 66
    Anakin vs Obi Wan on Mustafar.
    Anakin's transformation into Darth Vader.
    The birth of Luke & Leia Skywalker.
    Sidious & Vader looking on as the Death Star begins it's construction.
     
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    Couldn't put it any better. :)

    Everyone has mentioned just about everything already. Nothing can match the OT in its impact, at least for me seeing as how I group up with them in the late 70's and 80's. But it was so, so great to have new movies in the Star Wars universe again. I sat in the theater on opening day watching TPM with a huge smile on my face from start to finish.
     
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    For me the best thing about the prequels was that AOTC came out the day before my wedding and was pretty much out of the theater by the time I got home from my extended honeymoon - so I never saw it.
     
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    The best day of your life was more important than any film's premiere, glad you put your wedding first.
     
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    I liked the excitement in the build up to each release.
     
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    One of my favorite moments from the PT is the lightsaber duel between Qui-Gon and Darth Maul on Tatooine. There is something about it that I can't quite explain: it's just such a well shot scene. And it's the first lightsaber duel of the PT. I think it's still one of my favorite lightsaber duels. I just wish the scene was a little longer. I think orginally it was planned that the duel was going to continue on the landing ramp of the the Queen's ship. That would've been cool.
     
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    Totally agree with you there.
     
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    I was just wanting to create a "Prequel Appreciation Thread"... I like my name better xD Lol.

    But I just started watching TPM Blu Ray eith the interview commentary, and I've found some new things to enjoy about the prequels.

    I love that Qui-Gon sabering the door in the beginning was a direct homage to the Krell door melting in Forbidden Planet, one of my favorite, maybe my favorite, science fiction film, and easily one of the top three most important.

    The way the droids were discussed is fascinating. This idea that they were the first generation of this kind of droid, and were therefore appropriately wobbly and dependent on a "mothership", amd constant commands.

    I also like how much thought they put into the social, political, and cultural aspects of everything in the PT.

    The social commentary concerning Naboo, being a world where there are two races, and one thinks of itself as inferior, in GL's words, or rather thinks they are perceived as inferior, yet once they actually get to know the Naboo, they realize only their attitude held them back from the fruitful friendship they'd later have with the Naboo.

    On the political side, I realized why The Phantom Menace is appropriate in being about something as *seemingly* irrelevant as a trade dispute and planetary blockade. Not only does this, arguably, show the stagnation of the Jedi, who have gotten involved in politics, but it shows the very beginning of Palpatine's rise to power, which coincides with the beginnings of Anakin's own journey. Understanding this would, I think, lead people to accept the plot of TPM a little better.

    The practical effects of the PT are also unfairly ignored and underappreciated. The location scouting and character models are great works of art.

    And of course, John Williams' score is a huge part of what makes it Star Wars.

    It just all feels like Star Wars, even if the theme is (appropriately), as a trilogy, very different from that of the OT.
     
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    I will not lie, I do not like the prequels, but I will agree with you here. The prequels get a worse treatment than they deserve regarding the CGI v practical effects argument.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 23, 2015, Original Post Date: Jul 23, 2015 ---
    It might be because you are younger and do not realise this, but the topic of the importance of the "irrelevant" trade dispute and the stagnation of the Jedi was discussed ad nauseum in 1999. I remember reading it in reviews and all over internet message boards (still a new concept in '99). I remember very vividly discussing this very topic on the car ride home with three other die-hard SW fans on the way back to our apartment (we were all college students). Most of the people I talked to about TPM understood this at the time. A lack of understanding on these rather obvious plot points was not the reason with why people don't like the prequels.
     
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    1. Ewan McGregor & Liam Neeson
    2. Darth Maul & all duels with him
    3. Kenobi vs. Jango Fett
    4. Kamino & Kashyyyk Planets
    5. Order 66
    6. The moment of silence between Padme & Anakin before his duel with Mace Windu
    7. Kit Fysto

    Yeahh.... about those politics. Every time I recall these images I want to laugh out loud or cringe at how stupid and boring the "political" dialogues are written in the PT. The only GOOD that came out the politics is in the J. Luceno's book "Cloak Of Deception". It truly show's Palpatine's genius the way the movies failed to do.

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