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SPECULATION What do you think Kylo's fate going forward will be?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Lord Skywalker, Jul 24, 2017.

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What will happen with Kylo in TLJ and IX?

  1. He'll be redeemed in TLJ and help Rey (and maybe Luke) fight Snoke in IX

    7 vote(s)
    12.5%
  2. He'll redeem himself in IX by sacrificing his life to save Rey and or Luke

    12 vote(s)
    21.4%
  3. He'll be redeemed in IX but will survive the trilogy

    13 vote(s)
    23.2%
  4. He'll die in IX without being redeemed

    15 vote(s)
    26.8%
  5. Other

    9 vote(s)
    16.1%
  1. Lord Skywalker

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    I actually don't believe that Kylo has fallen further to the Dark Side as a result of killing Han in TFA. I think it actually made him even more conflicted and the pull to the light is stronger. I don't think Lucasfilm is ready to fully get rid of the Skywalker family, so I definitely think either in TLJ or IX he'll be redeemed (maybe by Rey?) and together they go against Snoke.

    I think we'll see his redemption really rev up in TLJ.
     
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    I would like to see something different this time. We already have Vader in the CT and his redeemed in ROTJ.
    For Kylo I would like to see him completed messed, a villain with mental problems. After all, he killed his own father. There are no redemption for that.
    Probably He will dies in IX, killed by Rey.
     
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    He'll get redeemed.

    But I don't see him getting a very happy ending...

    I'm sure JJ knew Kylo's endgame - whatever it- when he decided to have him murder Han.

    In my headcanon he turns himself in to justice, Rey, Luke, etc argue for permanent exile instead of death, and Kylo becomes a monk on Achoo. Peace, at least.

    But no way would there be enough screentime for that :(
     
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    I don't want to see Kylo redeemed. Already saw it with Vader. Don't need a rehash. I want to see him consumed more and more by the Dark Side until it eats him up.
     
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    It's quite difficult to determine Ren's fate. According to the "Anti-Hero's Journey" he can become both, the oppressor or the hero by the help of a redemption. Right now Kylo Ren is trying to follow the path of becoming the oppressor.
    Snoke has to be killed by Kylo:
    => for becoming the oppressor the previous oppressor has to be killed
    => for becoming the hero the villain has to kill the oppressor

    IMO Kylo Ren will be redeemed. His redemption arc will start at the end of TLJ, but he won't become Ben Solo. It wouldn't be very useful to redeem Ren in TLJ fully. You need a conflict for EPIX.
    So, in TLJ Kylo Ren will get the chance to redeem himself but he won't accept it fully. He isn't ready for a redemption. But Ben Solo will come back to the light and survive his redemption during the events of EPIX.
     
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    I voted the first one.
     
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    said this recently but not sure where...

    I think Ben (not sure who this Kylo fella is everyone keeps talkin about :p) will go rogue in TLJ. I think that Snoke will push him in a direction that is against his agenda, and this will cause Ben to walk away from the FO to pursue what he wants.. whatever that is.

    that's not redemption, that will happen later.. i guess ep9, but i believe he will become Snoke's enemy whilst still an enemy of all the good guys.

    If i was really pushed, i would say that Rey and Ben could become allies during TLJ out of necessity during some big fight against the FO or summit.


    it's very difficult to predict whilst we don't know what Ben's opinion is of Luke, and what he will do when he sees him. I don't personally think he will be wanting to kill Anakin/Vader's son.. but we'll see.
     
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    This is a really tough one. The last remaining Skywalker (confirmed Skywalker that is) also has Han Solos blood on his hands. I can't see Hans killer ever being redeemed in any way other than one last attempt at good when faced with his own death (Vader's redemption 2.0). I don't think that would sit well with the general audience.

    However, that means killing off the last remaining Skywalker kid. Star Wars without a Skywalker? Yikes!

    I don't believe Ben can be redeemed and then go on to a future trilogy as a hero, if he gets redeemed I believe it is on his death bed so to speak. I also don't believe Disney severs the Skywalker lineage. Therefore I say Rey is a Skywalker or the big reveal of TLJ is that there is another Skywalker.
     
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    I think it depends on if - and when - we get a trilogy following the sequel trilogy: Kylo would, at this point, anyhow, be the clear candidate to serve as an overarching villain, and I see further deaths down the line at his hands a la Han Solo, whether it be killing Snoke and/or Hux to cement his position as the leader of the First Order or otherwise.

    He sees himself as the heir to the throne at the head of the galaxy, and I don't see him stopping; I could see him acting out in ways we initially view as redeeming (such as killing Snoke) but actually carried out for ulterior motives.

    On the other hand, if he does get "redeemed", I see him just walking away from it all afterwards. Heck, I could even see Snoke knocking him about a bit in VIII or IX given his recent failures.
     
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    this, this, and more of this. ALL of this.
    this is the story that makes the most sense to me.

    Ben is not going to have an easy road back, but he'll get on it in TLJ.
     
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    The main reason I'm not one on this bus (at least for happening in TLJ) is because if Kylo were to switch sides this early on the only real threat the FO has is Snoke and I guess a fleet of ships or something else machinery based. I think its semi safe to say at least one villain will die this time around so just for shits and giggs say its Phasma. If BEN ;) turns in TLJ even if its just leaving the FO but not being "good" that seems like it leaves the FO too depleted versus all of these characters we have opposing them. We will have to see what BDT's deal is but I think having Kylo be anything but a lunatic in TLJ would be blowing the load too soon. That DOESNT mean he cant start showing glimmers of doubt in Snoke/The FO in TLJ though.
     
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    Ends as Force Ghost after he killed Snoke and dies in the course of it.
     
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    i don't think i was suggesting redemption (just yet anyway).. i was thinking that he becomes the enemy of everyone. a rogue... but a rogue on a very destructive rampage. it was just a thought.. but i thought it would be an interesting dynamic if the FO got in the way of his plans, because he clearly has a personal agenda.
     
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    I'm getting the feeling they are going to go the "Everything is so bleak for the good guys route". The First Order has DECIMATED the New Republic Capital, The FO (Kylo) finds Rey and Luke's Location, Finn tries to sneak aboard the FO command ship and gets caught, They attack the new Resistance base trying wipe them out and then Leia dies in the process. I think this is the one that makes it seem like there is almost no hope for the good guys and the only thing getting them through is what Rey (and possibly Luke) are able to do right at the very end but we are still left feeling like "OMG they are barely hanging on". It will make Rey's eventual victory that much sweeter. I think the odds of Kylo killing Luke are pretty good. Whether its in TLJ or IX we will see.
     
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    My guess is that we'll see Kylo redeemed in Episode 9. I assume he'll survive, but I'm not totally sure of that.

    However, I think it would be far cooler to go off the grid. Some people have already suggested these two ideas, but I'd prefer for either:

    1) Kylo gets redeemed either by the end of TLJ or early in Episode 9. Sort of the Zuko of this trilogy.

    or

    2) Kylo remains a totally tragic figure and never gets redeemed. Redemption is too much of a trope, anyway :p
     
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    Yes, Prince Zuko is pretty similar to Kylo Ren (who is a prince too).
    They both have anger and father/grandfather issues, they are also very conflicted about their morality and they don't know what they really want.
    So it's not unlikely that Ren will be the Star Wars version of Zuko.
     
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    With that hair he does give me sort of a Zuko vibe


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    ...oh wait wrong guy :confused:
     
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    ironically, this is what i saw when he took off the helmet the first time in the theatre:

    upload_2017-7-26_10-14-46.jpeg

    and yes, i laughed. : D
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    Hahaha I just thought it was great that he takes the helmet off and he has perfectly majestic locks. Too strong with the force for hat hair ..er..uhh.. Knight of Ren Mask Hair :cool:
     
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