What do you think Snoke's role was in this trilogy?

The whole point of the Jedi is to keep the dark side in check, you can never eradicate it.

“Without the Jedi there can be no balance in the force”

 

Snoke's role = plot device

 

Yes, that’s a better way of putting it.

 

What was Snoke’s role in the Sequel Trilogy?
In short: bait ‘n switch.

 

deadmanwalkin009 They look the same too me?



But I guess this gets a pass from you based on your logic? The creator himself couldn't get the emperor right.

Maybe that was due to Fx technology of the time rather than the creator getting it wrong?

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Hope Kylo does not get redeemed.

 

Ok Snoke’s role - a host body for Palpatine’s spirit . A wizard of Oz figure , red herring . I was on a knights of old republic site yesterday and there was discussion there about lord vitiate and how his original body is supposedly located on yavin . Since there are rumours that we are going back to yavin in TROS this could be the way to tie it back to the old republic . His body is gone but his spirit moves from host to host- unable to be killed since he is the first . Moreover he is also known as the ” the voice “ which seems to tie lord vitiate into something deeper mythically ( Metatron )so it will be interesting to See where they take Star Wars in future . Wasn’t there something in the plagueis novel too that plagueis was already dead by the time his master tried to teach him - so plagueis was already a host body by that stage suggesting he wasn’t the first .

 

We will see if Snoke was always meant to have a larger role when TRoS releases, but as of now I think his role and ultimate demise served as a catalyst for Kylo Ren to realise his priorities and the kind of leader (or lack of leader) he would become.

 

I’m not sure if I’m supposed to start my own thread with this, but this one part makes no sense:

Did Palpatine “feel” Snoke

For Snoke, all the new canon material, all of TLJ (you’re clever RJ! Please don’t try to prove to us how clever you are again!!), the prequels and clone war series, and Palpatine returning all make sense....

You kind of have to make Snoke a failed Big Bad.


My understanding is that Snoke is older and more powerful than The Emperor

I think the story needs to be:

Snoke learned the ways of the force, somehow. he could be a fallen Jedi or padowan believed to be dead or was banished as an effective and “more elegant” execution...then survived in the UR, perhaps he stole data from the cloners on Kamino (they’ve obviously done dirty biz with folks in Coruscant more than once, who knows how often Jedi have visited).

Regardless, Snoke, long ago (I think he’s from Camino...someone said Snoke wasn’t? Was that person JJ or KK or working for them? Then It’s still 100% possible he’s from that race and or planet).

So Snoke long ago learned about the Force, turned to the Dark Side, and wanted to become all powerful. He became physically deformed....sigh, JJ

Anyway, he saw that the Jedi were too powerful to conquer, and if he took on Plageius and Palpatine, he would reveal himself to the Jedi..and again would be toast. So he waited, and used the dark side to hide himself from even the Sith...for awhile.
He let the Sith take down the Jedi, then used his powers to hide Yoda, luke, Leia, and Obi-Wan from the Sith until they could take out the Sith.

He watched as his pawns and potential enemies fought each other. He let Palpatine think all this was his plan and only his plan. But Snoke became overconfident.

Much like his creator (JJ), Snoke thought others were fooled by him, and he did not realize he was not as smart and skilled and wise as those who came before him. (Palplatine, Richard Marquand and the directors of the Ewok TV specials)


So palpatine becomes aware of Snoke lurking somewhere, and creates the framework to birth the FO, as well as a second “Sith Fleet.”

The FO reconquers the GFFA, but the FO is also to draw out Snoke, put him front and center, as well as all major force users, like, say, all of Anakin’s offspring (one of his biggest mistakes the first time)

The Sith fleet is there to resurrect him, and then secretly protect him until all is set for him to take back his empire from Kylo, Rey (Snoke was probably seeking out force sensitive kids to be his dark version of the Jedi so he could fight the kids he assumed Luke would train to destroy the FO and go back to making sure trade negotiations and child slave pod racing can go smoothly).

That way, Palpatine is the big bad who really had studied immortality, became aware of the older, more powerful Snoke lurking somewhere... and showed he was smarter and not as arrogant as Snoke. Vader was slowly redeemed, but the turn was instantaneous. Kylo obviously deceived Snoke. Smoke treats him like junk even after killing his father. He sees that dad was right, Snoke isn’t wise, he’s trusting in Hux and belittling someone who needs some positive reinforcement and is much more dangerous than Hux. Kylo flexes, sees how each guard will respond, and decides to bring Rey, and her lightsaber to the throne room.

Palpatine comes back and plans to kill Kylo, Rey, and the KOR. He’ll find an apprentice in a way I’m sure he’ll announce in his usual Shakespearean muttering.

But Rey takes him out. Because JJ is directing and KK is producing. MaREY Sue is undefeated.

That’s how I see things working out so all the rules, past events, and characters stay consistent (they will have arcs in the movie, but I’m assuming those arcs are true to the characters).

I’d be super impressed if JJ & KK tied things together this way (I’m leaving a lot of open space...and this is an ambitious amount of plot and exposition...

I have no idea how the third act would go..(apart from Kylo for sure dying...possibly heroically) .or how things start off for the 12 living Rebels.

But I do think this is how you “tie the saga together And give it a true end”

 

http://www.brianwallace.blog/2019/0...palpatine-have-a-contingency-plan-if-he-died/

 

I’m glad to know I’m not alone on a lot of my really convoluted theory.

The one thing he leaves out, and I can’t figure out is that they’ve said Snoke is

A) the most powerful Force user so far
B) much older than Palpatine


They can ignore those in EIX and retcon them in other media, but I’m thinking that’s part of how JJ steers things back toward his TFA ideas.

RJ chucked so much overboard from TFA and while JJ has 100% said nice things about TLJ, you can’t blame him for coming back and ending the saga with something much closer to his vision than TLJ’s story (and especially ending). That’s how guys like him get so skilled and successful.

I think it’s a very interesting challenge for him.

MI:III is very different from from Mission impossible 2, and it’s better in almost every way (and closer to the TV show than either of the first two films). That said, Tom Cruise and acing Rhames totally work in that film as the same characters. The mask bits are all great. The rabbits foot sequence at the end is hilarious and thrilling (firing Tom cruise out of a high rise as he flails is the best part).

We have a creative team good at capturing what is excellent and beloved in an IP doing that on a sequel to a film they NEVER would have made.

I’m getting pretty excited about TROS. I just want some more footage!! Is it October yet??

 

In my mind, killing off Snoke in TLJ just meant that his role was to be a stepping stone in Kylo Ren's story arc, and not important beyond being a scary dark figure that made Ben Solo turn evil. I was very excited to see them kill him off in the middle chapter, since it gives room to focus more on Kylo Ren as a character (which I am a big fan of). But we don't have the full picture until we have seen the end of it. Maybe I will view it differently after we have seen the extent of old Palpy's involvment.

 

Do you think there's a possibility of Snoke return in TROS? I know that he's dead, but I mean, return as a flashback or holocrom, maybe.
We don't have any clue so far (two teasers released) if Andy Serkis was cast for this movie. I'm kind of losing my hope on see him again.

 

And such a powerful entity has been fooled by... just a child in a mask who had previously been bested by a girl who had never held a lightsaber... ?

 

Just out of curiocity, since I cannot recall having ever seen this outside of fan speculations... When did they say this, and in what context? And who are "they"?

I don't doubt you, I just an clueless and would love to know where this info is from

 

Oh no problem.

Pablo Hidalgo and JJ both said that in the run up to TFA.

 

Thanks! That's cool.

Not exactly canonical info if they only said so in interviews and on panels etc. -- (just recall how many times Lucas changed his mind and the story and characters between interviews and whatnot) -- but nonetheless an interesting insight into their way of thinking on the character at the time.

(Of course, for all I know JJ & Hidalgo's statements could very well be backed up in canonical books and comics somewhere; I haven't gotten around to reading more than a couple of those yet).

 

I would be surprised if he is to be honest.

 

This is what happens when Sith Lords let their arrogance get the best of them. Palpatine, in his arrogance, let his plan get thwarted by a bunch of teddy bears.

 

Snoke? He’s just a fall guy! Palpatine is the brains of the organization.

 

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