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What do you think Snoke's role was in this trilogy?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Lord Skywalker, Apr 28, 2019.

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What was Snoke in all this?

  1. A pawn and vessel for Palpatine

    31.4%
  2. A random powerful dark side user who wanted to finish what the Sith, Palpatine and Vader started

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  3. I'm not sure / Other

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  1. cassidy

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    I honestly feel like had Rian Johnson not decided to kill him off in TLJ, Snoke would have been the main villain in TROS. Leia: "no, it was Snoke." - refering to Ben turning to the dark side. The emperor was never brought up in TFA or TLJ. But now that we don't have a villain, someone to create further conflict for Ben and possibly Rey, they had to pull something from their bag of tricks. Seeing that creating a new bad guy for the final film wouldn't work, figuring out a way to make Palpatine fit into the conclusion was their only option.

    Snoke was such a cool and mysterious character in TFA. He had so much potential. Having him reveal he was Darth Plageius, and that Palpatine failed to kill him (possibly with a few twists and turns, perhaps he was wounded and had to retreat to recover during Palpatine's rule) would have been simple, but interesting enough and would've really wrapped up the saga as a full fleshed out story.

    I know they said the Emperor was always going to be a part of the story, but I find that very hard to believe.
     
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    Having Snoke be the most powerful force user so far and much older than Palpatine - from my point of view - is extremely consistent with Snoke being possessed by Sidious.

    I also do not think RJ would have killed off Snoke if that was not part of the overall story arc. Snokes death works perfectly well with the return of Sidious, especially if it turns out Sidious was controlling Snoke.

    Sidious, if we can agree it is derived from "insidious", means to entrap or beguile. In Latin it is "sedere" which means to settle in or sit. Both seem to be very much in line with how Sidious operates - if he indeed is possessing bodies in order to cheat death.

    Sidious could very well pre-date Palpatine, from a certain point of view.
     
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    I think the puzzle is starting to come together now.

    Sidious survives and retreats to the unknown regions to rebuild his Empire

    Snoke who had been exploring that area finds an old and seemingly weak Sidious and is given control over the First Order and dark side powers and will be allowed to inherit his new Empire once he destroys Luke for him.

    This is a lie obviously, Sidious just wants Luke out of the way before he returns to claim his Empire. He has also sensed Rey and Kylo and has forseen that Kylo will take him out for him.

    Then once Snoke and Skywalker are dead and the First Order is in control he will lure Rey to him, use their connection to rejuvenate himself and have Rey kill Kylo Ren, ending the Skywalker line and his grand daughter will become his new apprentice. They can then rule the galaxy together with a Planet destroying Star Destroyer stationed in the orbit of every star system to maintain complete control through terror.

    Well thats how I see this mystery playing out anyway. As for Snoke pre battle of Ender, I don't think it matters or is important. That can be left to the EU. All we need to know, and despite what anyone says this must be explained on screen is how he has the powers of Sidious and became the new Emperor out of nowhere.
     
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    Plaguious was the perfect origin for Snoke. Why not use that? Because fans thought it up? Why spite your fans?
     
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    Me too, because if that was truly the plan, the absolute best way to reveal that would have been at the end of TLJ somehow.

    Imagine how hyped people would have been leaving the theater?

    I believe they floated it as a story idea at some point, and when Rian painted them into a corner they returned to it.

    Think about how much they have to introduce in ROS just to tie things up. It will be a 3 hour movie and still be too fast, probably.


    I've said it from the beginning. Disney rushed things. To make $$, which makes sense from their perspective.


    I mean, just look at Maz. She was billed as a big character in this trilogy. Either through scheduling (Disney rushing things, not having actors locked down) or RJ not having a role for her in TLJ (which is insane, when you write a sequel, your very job is to include characters) she has been eliminated from the story. Sad, but more proof that this wasn't planned out.

    Another example is Poe. Dude was supposed to die. Now he's a major character- one of the big 3 or 4. You don't change a character from a plot device to a major player during shooting if your story is well planned.

    That doesn't mean people can't like the trilogy. But it wasn't planned. KK will say it was, because that's smart business. But it clearly wasn't.
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    Wait, is Rey Palpatine credible at this point? That is crazy.

    Are you guys cool with this? Why isn't Rey's mother or father important to the story then? If Palpatine had a child, why did he need Vader? Talk about forcing things.

    What am I missing?
     
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    I love this post. Just sayin.
    "I wish I knew."
    Same thing(s) that I am, apparently.
     
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    Yes. Disney changed course on Star Wars because fans guessed a fact that matters to maybe 20% (Im being VERY generous) of people who will see their Star Wars films.
     
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    So far, Snoke's role in the trilogy was to be an obstacle for Kylo Ren to overcome. We might as never see see or hear anything about him in RotS. Which is fine.
     
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    Exactly. Snoke is like a stepping stone for Kylo Ren's wierd villain/antihero-arc. It puts a lot of weight on Kylo Ren's shoulders character-wise to remove Snoke from the equation, and I thought it was a very bold but cool move. Some fans dislike Kylo Ren since he is not as menacing or intimidating as Vader, but my thoughts after TFA was actually that he was a way more interesting villain because of the contrast to Vader. So I loved it when they got rid of Snoke. Looking forward to see what they do with "Supreme Leader Kylo Ren" (but i suspect another guy could take som of that villain focus away this time).
     
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    Snoke? Meh. Waste of a character. If he’s just going to be nobody, it would have been better to have Kylo running the thing from the start.

    We’ve still not had the whole story tho, so I’m open to ideas. From my perspective, what Lea said about Snoke and Ben, I always felt as if she knew him, like he may once have been on their side. That would be interesting, but then they have never mentioned it again and RJ just killed him off.

    I actually think there is a better story from before TFA, where we see who/why Rey is. We see a Jedi Academy - and it’s failure. We see a young Ben turn in to The Jedi Killer and Snoke’s involvement.

    Maybe The Mouse will do a sequel prequel in a few years!
     
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    In the Hero's Journey, their mentor dies, so why not be the one to kill him this time lol?

    But to play devil's advocate then, if Kylo is the main villain now, why is Palpatine necessary at all? He's made his choice, and having regrets is fine, but bringing in another villain that fits the archetype character we just killed feels...off...to me. But we also don't have the full story yet. I'll try to answer this question again after December has come and gone.
     
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    Ren is kind of the Hero's Journey inverted.
    He's doing everything right, if the right thing was to be evil.
    So it really makes sense he would kill a mentor rather than the mentor sacrifice for him, like Obi-Wan did for Luke and Luke did for Rey and the Resistance.

    I also agree with you about Palps. Kinda odd he's being invoked now, in the final film without any set up prior to this. Feels off.
     
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    This might be a bit off topic, but did anyone else think Snoke was going to be 30ft tall after seeing TFA? (like his projection?)

    I thought that would've been so cool...
     
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    That is what worries me about this movie. I was pretty certain that it would be all about Kylo (bad-guy wise). On the other hand, I really want more McDiarmid in Star Wars, so we well see. It's wierd. I really hope that the movie has a good reason for including Palpy, but it seems hard to make it fit IMO.
     
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    I think Snoke's role is pretty simple. He was intended to be the "big bad" from the get-go, but then, Rian Johnson came along and decided that he didn't want this to be the case anymore. So, instead, he reduced Snoke's role to that of a passing goof and unceremoniously killed him off. As of the end of the TLJ, Snoke literally added nothing of importance to the Trilogy. Arguably, the only significant thing Snoke did was manipulate Ben into becoming evil. However, even this will become insignificant if it's revealed that Sheev was actually behind Ben's turn. If they wanted Sheev to be the puppet master the entire time, then they shouldn't have introduced Snooki Meatballs; they could've made the First Order (as a unit) the villain in TFA. Then, they could've begun to pinpoint the focus of the villains onto Kylo/Hux, developing their dynamic during TLJ, slowly weaving in Palp's influence throughout the film. That way, they could've unleashed The Senate during TROS, but in a way that was consistent with the previous two films, not totally out of nowhere (and definitely not as compensation for terrible story-writing and character development).
     
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    Snoke is barely in the TFA. I don't get the obsession with him. He was always a poor man's Palpatine. Snoke's death in The Last Jedi was one of Star Wars best moments. There will likely be added backstory, but I don't understand why people are upset a fairly minor character died.
     
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    I was very interested in Snoke after TFA. He was mysterious and what I imagined (at the time) to be extremely powerful. Following the story of the previously released film, ROTS, I believed he would be Plagueis, or another related Sith figure; instead he was nobody, and in no way served as a segue from the prequel trilogy to the sequels.

    He could have been something special, and I believe that's what has disappointed many of us. It's fun for characters in films to actually be important and serve a meaningful role.
     
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    Well to be fair Old Palps wasn't exactly set up in the OT much either.
     
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    Those are all fine reasons for you to be interested in a character. I don't begrudge anyone for having theories, but pretty much all of that stuff is outside of The Force Awakens. TFA was clearly about Rey and the Resistance trying to find Luke. Kylo Ren is clearly the most fleshed out villain. Snoke's role is pretty clear. He existed to help tell Kylo's story.
     
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    Sure but he was seen in ESB and alluded to in ANH (by way of the Empire existing and if you have an Empire you probably have an Emperor/King etc).

    He had one line of mention in the most passing of comments by Luke in this trilogy.
    It feels more forced than not so far.

    It'd be like if Thanos was mentioned once, never seen nor heard then showed up in Infinity War.
     
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