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What does “Saga Ends” mean?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Xeven, Sep 14, 2019.

  1. remiel6

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    I would not overthink this. I think it likely means the end of the story which opens with the sith revealing themselves in phantom menace. So Palpatine has to die, although I thought he was dead. It likely means Kylo dies and either Rey is not a Skywalker, or if Rey is a Skywalker they both die without kids. That would be my best guess. I doubt the Jedi die and to be honest. Someone in some story in the future will find some sith holocron which will bring the sith back.
     
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    I apologise in advance for being inspired by the following two posts to possibly completely overthink it. :D

    Yeah... there’ll always be a way to continue in some way, I think, whatever they do. :)

    Hah, I swear I was about to post the same thing... lol.

    Someone needs to make a Star Wars / Smashing Pumpkins music video... :D

    But on a serious point... yes. We need an ending so there can be a beginning... the snake eating its own tail, etc etc.

    *meandering ramble incoming*
    I feel like before the prequels and sequels Star Wars was more often talked about as a story that was basically about the eternal battle between good and evil. I think it still is, but we’ve seen / are seeing that through slightly different perspectives in the PT/ST. But as for Jedi/Sith or just light side/dark side... I think that eternal battle/struggle, ‘Wars’ if you will ;) is the general theme, with the Skywalker saga being a more specific, yet still epic, iteration of those wars. And even within each trilogy, and in each film, we see smaller iterations of oppositions - personal battles, choices, etc.

    We may get new Jedi and/or Sith in future movies or series (either forward or backwards in in-universe eras), or the lines of good and evil may be drawn differently or named differently... but fundamentally I think the Skywalker saga may ‘end’ but on some level it is endless... it’s a story that keeps repeating, like both the fictional stories and the real world that inspired it. Wars amongst the stars, literally, figuratively, metaphorically... from the scale of those stars being destroyed down to microscopic life-forms that can turn the destiny of a galaxy... and everything in-between.

    Just like in the real world Star Wars can be enjoyed as popcorn fluff or pop-culture philosophy, and like much art, to some degree it gives you back what you bring to it. “It’s like poetry, it rhymes”, yes, with itself, but also with life, and with those who view it - generationally, culturally. There are those who identify with only the original film, or with the OT, for various reasons, or those who identify with all of it, for various reasons, and numerous, countless combinations in between. Because it’s art, and because we all have different individual skews on what we enjoy, what we find meaning in and what we bring meaning to... and yet almost paradoxically, mass-communicated popular culture gives us a shared experience, whether in cinema theatres, home video, or through second/third hand popular culture and more recently social media and places like this online.

    It surrounds us, and binds us... wait... doesn’t that sound familiar? ;)

    So anyway, yeah, maybe one way of thinking of ‘the end’ is that it’s the nearest point to the beginning. I got there in end. Or was it the beginning?
     
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    It means what it has always meant... It's the last film until the powers that be decide it isn't. Same as it did in 1983 and in 2005. Heck even in 2011/12 Lucas said there would be no more films... Until there would be more films.
     
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    It's the circle of life
     
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    Mark Hamill: "It's not about me anymore. It's really not my story. It's the story of Rey, Finn, Poe and all of them, which is the way it should be."

    Luke's story arc pretty much ended with TLJ. It's the time for the new generation of Skywalkers to save the galaxy once and for all.
     
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    I think the Saga ended with ROTJ. Not sure what they are ending now, unless they intend to resurrect the Saga to end it again.
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    I am not so sure VII and VIII really fit in with the Previous numbered Saga about Vader. I mean sure there was his helmet and all and some of the old cast but did it really further the first 6 Episodes in any meaningful way?

    Other than Kylo wishing to finish what Vader started, there has not been much to tie Kylo to Vader’s legacy other than being a relative. Vader never did take over as Master of the Sith as he know led his Master he returned to the light.

    Is Kylo going to become the Master Sith now?
     
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    They are obviously ending the Saga with the third generation living in the shadow of the OT & PT. They show that there are consequences and continuity in SW with what has gone before, but with RoS even that will (I assume) end and a new future free of the shackling past be born. The problematic Skywalker legacy will end to clear way for the future (I.e. RJ's trilogy, perhaps?)
     
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    Okay, I have a question, and I hope it doesn't come across the wrong way. I'm interested in this idea of "the shackling past" and "the problematic Skywalker legacy." I keep hearing this from some people, and I really don't get it. What's wrong with the past? Like, if you were hired to write a story set in the Lord of the Rings Universe, you'd have to deal with a tremendous amount of lore. Is that shackling??? I'd bite your darn arm off to write a story set in Middle Earth.

    And what's up with this idea of the problematic Skywalker legacy. That is something we started hearing a couple of years ago and I really don't get it.
     
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    I'm talking in-story. Similar to how Frodo & Co finally destroys the shackles of the past stories in LotR. For the record, SW is great and I don't see many problems with the 40+ year old franchise (beyond some dated concepts of masculinity, femininity, and race, but even these are pretty mild). It is the mighty Skywalker blood and all the awefulness it has caused, and whatever dark machinactions lies behind it (probably a Palpatine contingency plot at this point), that RoS will end.

    No offence intended against the franchise's past.
     
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    Okay I see that. I disagree with the ideas of masculinity or whatever, but hey we can agree to disagree.

    As for the Skywalker blood, I think it is something to be overcome. Personally I like the idea of the character(s) having to overcome that. Heck, the temptations of the dark side are something all force users are supposed to overcome, especially Jedi.

    But thanks for the quick response. I've been wondering about that statement, as it's been something I've seen lately and just really didn't get.
     
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    It means that no matter how uninterested one might be in the new trilogy, no matter how disappointed you were in TLJ, etc.

    They want you to trust them *one* more time.

    The *saga* is ending because it creates hype and interest in the new movie.


    And for some reason, Disney apparently purchased Star Wars to move away from the Skywalkers as quickly as possible, which is extremely...odd.
     
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    Actually I think moving away from the skywalkers is wise (you know the Supreme Mouse is wise) because you can be more free in your stories. The Skywalker Stories will always be there and if Kylo Ren Survives or Rey picks up the name they can always come back. But when a new movie comes out no one will expect it to continue with that story line.
     
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    Yep, @Unseen it's not odd, it's wise as @Meister Yoda said, because Disney will be free from any royalty and fees due to the old stuff they don't own...
     
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    Right... 'cause they made a standalone movie focusing on Han and Lando. They're also making an Obi-Wan show, they made a movie focusing on the Death Star, Kylo Ren is a Skywalker,
    and if the leaks are correct Rey takes the last name of Skywalker
    . So, how exactly are they moving away from the Skywalker saga? I'm sorry, but that notion is BS.
     
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    Ugh I don’t know. I really hope the story of these new characters is continued. They have been such a success... It would be a shame to see them go.

    I also think they can be part of newer stories. Rey or Kylo will not need Luke’s force ghost by their side forever... or Finn, or Poe. There are so many other stories that could be told with these characters. If just feels such an awful waste...
     
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    They are moving away in a way that they can make Episodic films / trilogies without people expecting them to pick up where IX left them. That doesn't mean they can't use anything from that era because people probably still would watch it.
    Uh and I don't like people calling something BS just because they look at it differently.
     
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    The BS part that I'm referring to is the notion that they're not making money by using the "old stuff".
     
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    Yes, that’s a very odd thing people are saying... but it couldn’t be true. Surely Disney bought the whole franchise with everything emblematic about it... it’s just very hard to believe they are not making money from old characters and stuff.
     
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    As long as you keep watching, it never ends.

    The neverending storrrrryyyyyyyyyy!
     
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    hahah...

    I love The Neverending Story so much, probably one of my favourite films that doesn't have Star Wars in the title.
     
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