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What happened with Anakin's prophecy?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Amanaman, Dec 16, 2015.

  1. Amanaman

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    Hey there my fellow SW fans! I hope you are all well and that you are all pummped that TFA is just right around the corner. There is something I have been wondering a bit in these days and I thought I'd share it with you all. What I am about to say is in no way an intention to start another OT vs PT debate so please let's not get into that. What I would really like to hear are fellow fans honest thoughts on the subject I'm about to mention.

    As we keep seeing more and more bits here and there of TFA, I have seen that part of the story has taken a dramatic turn from what Lucas had started in the past. Looking back to the past 6 movies, we saw that there was a prophecy about Anakin where he was the chosen one who would bring balance to the force. When Vader finally redeemed himself and destroyed the Sith and saved his son Luke, we had thought that the prophecy had been fulfilled as there was no longer an imbalace created by the Sith and Luke would be the simbol of the return of the Jedi yet now with TFA just a few days away, I have been wondering how fans should interpret said prophecy.

    TFA not only will show us that Snoke is a Sith (if all that has been said is true that is) but that the Jedi order never rose again. If Anakin was to bring balance to the Force, I have to ask what did he accomplish? It seemed he failed to destroy the Sith completly as a great more ancient evil (Snoke) was there lurking in the shadows and it struck even harder than the Sith had before and Anakin didn't open the way for the return of the Jedi either as for all we have seen, both the Jedi and the Force are even thought to be myths. The Force had even entered a dormant state so how can we call that balance? Where do we see the prophecy get fulfilled now that we know that JJ went a different direction than what Lucas had intended? What do you guys and gals think?
     
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    I think that Anakin fulfilled the prophecy and Snoke is either not a Sith and belongs to another or new darkside religion or only became an actual Sith some time after the prophecy was fulfilled.
     
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    Anakin brought balance to the Force. There isn't some specific way to say it and I think that's the goal.

    He limited those that could wield the force and abuse its power - both good and evil. Luke is not one to abuse the force, thus he survived. Maz does not abuse the force. We really don't know if Snoke abuses the Force. Kylo Ren goes beyond the prophecy. So we shall see how that works. But I think the prophecy fits...from a certain point of view.
     
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    Haven't scene that Snoke is a Sith but Sith starting again does not necessarily violate the prophecy. Anakin restored balance. That is not necessarily a final state. Many of us compare Anakin to Jesus the Force Messiah who came once and for all but what if he is more of a cyclical figure. In Hinduism the gods have repeating roles. Destroyer, redeemer, rebirth. Anakin, Luke, Rey/Finn/Kylo.
     
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    If I'm gonna make things up to go along with ALL the films I'd have to say that Anakin brought balance by having offspring to continue the fight against the sith. As far as his prophecy to destroy the sith I guess an argument could be made that if and when they are it was from a skywalker birthed from Anakin. Its the only argument that makes me happy.
     
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    I bet the prophecy gets passed on to Finn, he becomes the "real" chosen one but we'll only realise this after his heroic/sacrificial actions in episode 9.
     
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    Snoke has never been identified as a Sith anywhere.
     
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    That would be really cool. I would love to see a new Dark Side group that wasn't the Sith. Just like Mother Talzim and the Nightsisters, it would be awesome for me if Snoke has no relationship with the Sith yet I still wonder if this will be the case considering that Kylo Ren is a Vader fanatic. How can he wish to be what Vader was and finish what Vader started if he did not aspire to be a Sith? That's kind of like someone wanting to imitate Boba Fett in every way yet said person doesn't want anything to do with Mandalorians.
     
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    this goes against everything pre 2005. cant happen even in the biggest f ups of f ups.
     
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    There are NO SITH at the start of TFA, it's supposedly ended with Anakin Skywalker's death but not his bloodline. Blame Pleagruis, ya nasties :p. Blame the "grey side," which is what's meant to be viewed as in The ST .
     
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    I never realized you were joking I just got it, lol. Sorry I am.
     
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    Well long story but my theory that i've had for a long time is that Snoke is darth Plagueis somehow resurrected and he stopped being a Sith the moment he was killed by Palpatine. Then when he returned he started a new darkside group without the previous Sith problems of the rule of 2 that got him killed. This would explain how Snoke would have knowledge of Vader enough to seduce Kylo. BUT that is the last i will say of that theory in this thread as we already have a huge Plagueis thread and i don't want to derail your thread with it. Lol
     
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    Honestly though its semantics. he is likely a powerful dark side user that is a threat to the galaxy. What are Sith? Powerful dark side users who are a threat to the galaxy.
     
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    Exactly, the prophecy is supposed to affect all dark siders, if not Sidious could have just changed his cult name to be on the safe side...
     
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    I suspect the "chosen one" has been retcon to mean a family (the Skywalker family) instead of a person (Anakin).
     
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    yoda stated in ep 3 the prophecy could have been misread when obi asked him if anakin is the chosen one yadda yadda after anakin had his piss fit where he was requested to spy on palpatine. if vader did bring balance back in jedi how could snoke be alive let alone master the dark side the force would be in balance right? i think in theory good cant exist without evil kind of like ying cant live without a yang
     
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    Tell Mother Talzin that.

    Anyway, the Sith is an organization, not an MMO class, even if that's a minor technicality.
     
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    What does the chosen one prophecy actually mean? Destroying the Sith? For how long?
    Can there be a Sith pop up hundred years later? Thousand years later? Million years later?
    Destroying Sith creates balance? So Sith make it unbalanced? What about Jedi?
    Maybe Anakin was chosen one because we wiped out everything, Jedi and then Sith?
    Too much Jedis and Siths running about, chosen one wipes them all out and we back to only a few force users at any one time.
    Or maybe chosen one is just special cos they got lots of midichlorians inside them? Or maybe chosen one is destined to be that father character from clone wars?
    Or maybe chosen one is destined to give birth to powerful offspring?
     
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    Prophecy misconception #1: "The Jedi also have to wiped out for balance." It's balance to The Force, not balance of people using The Force, and as misguided as they were, the Jedi weren't evil.

    Prophecy misconception #2: "The Jedi's hope was for Anakin to destroy the dark side." They said "Destroy the Sith," not "Destroy the dark side."
     
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    according to the art book posted a few days ago they stated snoke is a master of the dark side so either hes a new breed of inquisitor thats been around since tpm ( serkis stated his charachter has seen it all events from 1 - current ) or maybe hes an ancient dark side user of the force and the term sith is no longer used? look at the knights of ren. what is the meaning behind the word red since there the knights for him? is snoke the ren used in the name of those knights? jj did say ren is the new word for sith
     
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