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What I Think about Star Wars

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by FN-3263827, Feb 28, 2018.

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how do you feel about Star Wars?

  1. i love everything Star Wars!

  2. i love most things Star Wars!

  3. i love to pick and choose what Star Wars i love!

  4. Star Wars has disappointed me, but i still love it.

  5. Star Wars and i are considering a trial separation

  6. Star Wars and i are quits!

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  1. Chise

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    Aaaaaaahaaaa...that's why your name is FN-something?
    Well Poe does have some unusual bromace for FN2187...I like the way Finn leaks (all naked btw) all over him at the start of tlj.
     
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  2. FN-3263827

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    yeah, that's not suggestive at all, is it? XD
     
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    "Room you must get." (yoda 2)
     
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    "Older than I you must be." (yoda 2)
     
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    I'm with you on this one. I mean, it's a very nice scene and I like the reasoning behind it, but it damages my experience more than it enhances it. It has more to do with the filmmaking aspect rather than the lore or whatever.

    So the point is that Luke's final act inspired the whole galaxy and wasn't there just to save a handful of Resistance fighters. That's good, but I think this message is still there if you don't show us the epilogue. After all, the story does a good job at explaining it's not just a couple of soldiers but "the spark that will blah, blah..." And if you really want to stress the message, an extra couple of lines between Leia and Rey at the end would do it. Luke embracing his own legend is probably my favourite thing about the whole movie, such a powerful point in the story, and I recognised that despite not digging the epilogue.

    The message isn't even that clear based on the broom boy scene alone. I think it's possible to look at it as Rose's influence only, which goes against the intended association with Luke. And if someone would argue that's still good, I'd say the last scene of the movie is not a right moment to go back to Rose's sub-plot.

    There is also a practical problem with it. Two of them, actually. First of all it's an abrupt reset of the third act's momentum. Everything that goes down on Crait is such a powerful climax and yet immediately after my first screening I felt like it happened ages ago just because of the epilogue. It was boom boy who occupied my mind when I was sitting there during the credits. I remember that very distinctively. Thinking not about Luke vanishing, not about the heroes on the Falcon, but the goddamned kid in Canto Bight. It took a couple of minutes for me to rewind back to the important stuff.

    Secondly, it's feasible that the word got to Canto Bight relatively quickly and even if it was a matter of week or two (time jump), the scene is still valid. However, the fact that it happens in a location we've just seen earlier in the movie and features the same characters in the same outfits again at night, it seems like it happens too soon. This is another reason for which I don't instinctively associate it with Luke's influence. It's like it takes me back to the second act of the film and on a subconscious level I'm not convinced it takes place after Crait.

    I think it would be better if it happened in a completely different location and featured different characters. It would fix the far-fetched chronology. Moreover, it wouldn't make the galaxy feel small. "Oh, look: the boy we've already met in a place we've just been to happens to hear about Luke's deed and also happens to be Force-sensitive." Which brings me to another point - him using the Force on the broom. That's too much... Makes it all too literal and raises annoying questions and unnecessary speculation ("Is this the protagonist of the next trilogy? Will Rey train him?").

    I thought the scene doesn't bother me too much, but I think it grows to become my biggest gripe with TLJ. :p I love this film, so these smaller flaws frustrate me more and less at the same time, if that makes any sense. More, because the film would be close to perfect without them (IMO!) and less, because the good stuff clearly outweighs the bad, so technically it's not a big deal.
     
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    Thank you very much for the question. I have decided to answer in 2 parts. A) I am and always will be a hardcore SW fan. B) As for my YouTube channel no I am here to raise about correctness of SW, however if I make a video on SW than will discuss it with everyone, on the other hand if any of my content changes SW real movies stories than all for good effort didn't go to waste. The videos are separate from Cantina SW forum's.
    Hope I answered in agreement.
     
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    i am the picture of youth and exuberance! : D

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    this hits the nail on the head for me. it's not only where i don't want to be emotionally, but it rips the rugs out entirely on the forward action.
    it's like Johnson said: here's a buncha failure and despair with a hopeful ending on Leia (on Leia!!! where it should have been), but nope: here, have a cup of treacle to pound the message in with characters you don't know or care about half a galaxy away.

    and to make it even dimmer, let's spend the whole movie touting women and people of color, but end it on a white boy.
    honestly? i can't tell if that's supposed to be ironic or some kind of apology. i mean: c'mon!
     
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    What? Oh, come on, let's leave race out of it... :rolleyes:
     
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    i'm saying it feels ironic, that's all.
    and i'm not just dragging race into it, i'm dragging gender and race into it.
    precisely because those two things have been issues of completely needless and yet deep contention within the fandom.
     
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    It is ironic when you look through the lens of gender/race at it. And to me such approach is ludicrous. If that's what you're saying, I agree. I don't agree that the white boy is a real problem, which is how I understood what you initially said.
     
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    i'm saying Johnson seems to be an intentional filmmaker and while he probably occasionally makes choices that are just of the moment, it's an interesting final choice--and that it was likely more intentional.

    and therefore it's possibly intentionally ironic ~ just as much as so many other things in TLJ.
     
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    Sorry to keep circling back to this, but -- do you folks think this scene would have worked better had he not used the force here? Or even worse, or still the same?
     
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    That's pretty cryptic, but whatever.

    It would be better, but my fundamental gripes lie elsewhere. Using the Force is almost like a separate thing.
     
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    simple as that:

    I like lightsabres, fairytales with a grain if myth, father & son dynamics, family dramas, THE FALCON, most of the main protagonists in the GFFA, world building (planets), space ships .... and especially THE FALCON.

    I understand your point about him being on the wrong place but I don't take broomi boy as hard as you do. It was a chill out scene after all the high end epic drama scenes. Luke's legend lives on to inspire the youth (like us both).

    to sum all up: Luke "rebels" and is, like for mrs & mr random (or broome kid) an inspiration for us to rebel too..

    thanks to Luke, the hero of my inner kid:

    I L O V E T O R E B E L !!!!!!!

    (falcon 2) (r2-d2)(luke)(green)
     
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    somehow i hope to find the strength to carry on ~ hahahaha

    and this is why we love you, bert. ; D
     
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    I agree with sameageasmebert, hope is what it all stands for. Without anyone of the Skywalkers there is still hope. Broom boy just shows that the force don't care and its going to do what it wants.
     
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    Ironic?
    [​IMG]
    The Last Jedi is very unironic in messages it tries to convey. Star Wars has never been ironic in its messages and TLJ is no different. Rian believes that what Luke did will make the galaxy a better place. Rian believes that the Resistance will be victorious. Rian believes that Rose saving Finn was the right thing to do. This film isn't postmodernist - if anything, it is a critique of postmodernism and its irony and detatchment from established rules.
     
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    i'm gonna disagree with that, though we may be using "ironic" in different ways.

    Luke tossing the lightsaber when we expect him to say something profound is ironic.
    Luke saying: did you expect me to stare down the whole First Order by myself (and then him actually do just that) is ironic.
    Rey running to Ren Ben for "salvation" is ironic.

    i'm not saying Johnson did anything without intent: in fact the opposite. the specific choice of broom boi being a white male signifies something. even if only as a tribute to represent himself as a fan in perhaps the biggest homage to Lucas he could think of. the irony being that people who don't like TLJ often say Johnson doesn't understand Star Wars and tried to destroy everything Lucas built.

    i can't say for sure what he was thinking and we can analyze a buncha different ways, but that's the point i was making.

    less deliberately cryptic than perhaps just inarticulate ~ ha!
     
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    Oh. If that's what you meant by "ironic," then we agree. :D
     
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