What if Darth Maul had...

My opinion:

The Clone Wars make it clear the Maul killing the Jedi and helping him start a war was his original plan. Maul is well-trained in diplomacy and he knows of the Clone War concept despite never being around at the time.

My guess is that with the Jedi dead, Padme would have been captured and executed like originally intended. Senator Palpatine would have used this opportunity to call for strict penalties to be imposed on supporting and allied worlds of the Trade Federation, while in secret he would begin producing the clone army.

Maul would take a similar role to Dooku, except he possesses none of his charm and guile. He would have to demonstrate power, blackmail and threaten worlds to win support. All the while raising his own army, increasing tensions between the new alliance and the Republic. When the clone army is ready, Maul would launch a massive attack against Republic, demonstrating his full might and taking the Republic by surprise.

Senator Palpatine would call this an unjustified attack against the very nature of democracy, and would call for emergency powers. Once gained, he would call for the creation of a grand army of the Republic and launch a counterattack.

Dooku would have been assigned Anakin as his padawan by the Jedi Council. Dooku's arrogance would have raised a more aggressive and less controllable Anakin. Dooku would be a big supporter of Palpatine and may have became a "private Jedi", one who personally works for the chancellor stomping out "weaknesses" for the Republic. This whole time Palpatine would have seen Anakin's potential, training him in secret. When the war was nearing it's end Dooku and Anakin would have been sent to defeat Maul. With Maul dead, Anakin's final test would come: the execution of Dooku.

As Dooku was the poster boy for Palpatine, his death would plant the seeds for the Republic final transformation into the Empire. Palpatine would inform Anakin that the Jedi needed him to become complacent. They were the ones who ordered the kidnapping of his mother, and Dooku carried out the request. Enraged by this news, Anakin would slay the count in combat and the death would be blamed on the Jedi. The Jedi had had enough of the Republic and were attempting to impose their will upon it. Order 66 would be commissioned and the Jedi would be killed.

Yoda and Windu would be the only survivors . Mace Windu would duel Anakin, and Yoda Palpatine. Windu would be slain by Skywalker and Yoda would leave for exile. Anakin wold never have any children and maintain his body. Eventually he would become more powerful than the Emperor and overthrow him.

 

I personally just can't see Darth Maul leading the separatist movement. He is primarily depicted as a vicious monster who is a powerful warrior but not much else. It's hard for me to imagine him even having a detailed understanding of an ideology, let alone leading a political movement. Even if he did have the mental capacity, he is blunt and frightening, and he would have a hard time getting anyone to follow him. I actually think it's possible (though unproven) that Sidious may have deliberately intended for Maul to die so that he could move to the next phase of his plan.

Regarding who would've trained Anakin - it seems to me that the answer has to be "no one." The council didn't want to train him, and Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan essentially forced them to approve it. If they were both gone, there wouldn't be anyone left who wanted Anakin trained as a Jedi. I'm not sure how this would've worked out in the long run - maybe Palpatine would've just had to train Anakin himself at some point.

 

My theory is that he would have either tried to lure anakin right away or had Maul killed and brought on Dooku, who would in turn become Anakin's new master since he was also Qui-Gon Jinn's master and then convince him to turn as well
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I take it that you have not seen The Clone Wars:
Brothers, Revenge, Revival, Eminence, Shades of Reason & The Lawless?

Or Rebels: Twilight of the Apprentice? They are worth their weight in Sith gold.

Crafty, charismatic and ruthless....

Darth or not, Maul is more like Sidious than anyone else.
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Palpatine's plan probably would've been the same as it initially was. Maul's "death" was a wrinkle in his scheme- one of the very few that he had to genuinely retool his plan to accommodate. We know from Maul's dialogue in TCW that Palpatine was already planning the Clone Wars before the Naboo Crisis- hell, Palpatine may have even intended for the Clone Wars to start earlier, and the only reason it took 10 years to get off the ground was because he had to find and train a new apprentice. We know Maul was supposed to play a role in the war- but would it have been the Separatists' political leader, or as their military leader? Dooku only entered the picture because Palpatine needed a replacement apprentice. Maybe the initial plan was for Dooku or another fallen Jedi to act as the Separatist figurehead, and Maul to be the cunning military strategist?

I don't know if Sidious always intended for Anakin to become his apprentice. Did he know about Anakin before TPM, or was Anakin an unexpected bonus prize that he decided to incorporate into his plan after it was set in motion?

 

But they agreed to in the end, only Yoda disagreed. This means that Anakin would have still been trained by the Jedi if he managed to get off Naboo.

Anakin was a unexpected bonus that Palpatine decided to incorporate into his plan. Dooku was nothing but a temp until the true apprentice Anakin came to fruition.

 

"Hey, wait, that weird experiment Plagueis tried actually worked? Well, don't mind if I just start grooming him to be my apprentice. Happy birthday to me."

 

I really don't think Darth Maul would have had to lead the Separatist Movement as that's where General Grievous would come in. Palpatine would cleverly use him as a scapegoat and all Grievous would have to do is play all the cards that Dooku played while leaning on the whole ''The republic is unjust and unfair, look what happened to me for serving it faithfully, it's the Jedi's fault blah blah blah.'' Darth Maul would continue to be used from the shadows, Sidious would still have secretly manipulated the Trade Federation, Banking Clan ect and the evil heartless Droid and his army of mindless killing machines would still be the reason why the Republic needed an army and a person in power that would control it. Sheev's plans would have worked perfectly.

 

I don't think Grievous was clever enough to be able to act as the Separatists' political leader. And even as a military leader, he was kind of meh. Maul was far more charismatic than Grievous ever was, and had much better "people skills" than Grievous. He was able to amass a criminal empire in what, a few weeks, if that? And the only reason it collapsed is the fact that his old master put his foot down because it was a threat to his own schemes. If Maul and Grievous were in the picture together, Maul would've handled the political side of things, and Grievous would've still been the military leader.

 

Sidious probably would have taken Anakin right away seeing as how Darth Maul tried to snatch him up in episode 1

 

When did Maul try to snatch him up?

 

oh yeah...maybe use anakin as bait..

 

At the time where Maul was Sidious's apprentice still, I don't think he even knew about Anakin yet. He learned about Anakin due to the events of post-Maul's death.

 

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I kind of think they overdid the whole Darth Maul thing through over exposure.

Honestly, if I had creative control, I would have preferred the following:

• If the Rule of Two was not established and the Sith had people in a variety of functions and specialisms- so Torturer, Executioner, Assassin, Berserker, Archon.
• If he had other weapons either instead of or in conjunction with a double lightsaber- one idea that I have is if he had nails made of glass that shattered upon impact or scalpel blades that he could control via the Force (not sure how this would fit in a PG film); another is a sniper rifle (Maul using the Force to further augment his accuracy)
• Instead of his appearance in TPM, I would have had him acting in a behind the scenes role instead of directly confronting the Jedi, killing moderates and diplomats on both sides and using black propaganda to spread discord and confusion.
• Instead of dying at the hands of Obi-Wan, have Maul die at the hands of Sideous. Such a scene would serve to show how ruthless Palpatine is and how he is willing to discard and dispose of assets that he has no more use for and his conscious effort to remove any links to his true self from the image of the shy and respectable senator of Naboo he has managed to cultivate.

At that moment, Maul would have no words but inside, there would be expression of shock, betrayal before resignation. A solitary tear rolling down a face otherwise impassive. Palpatine then would not even give him a second glance.

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As other people in the Jedi Order would have likely been notified of Anakin's potentiality, this would be anyone. Personally, I would go with Ki-Adi-Mundi.

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There are so many jokes I can make here and none of them appropriate.

 

In the beginning, before the rewrites, revisions and reshoots.... Darth Maul was very much aware of the "Sith experiment".

 

I would have loved to see Obi-Wan vs wheelchair Darth Maul.

 

I don't think anything would have changed (in terms of Palpatines plans of course). Maul would just have been a better pawn in Palpatines plans. No matter how skillful he was, in the end I don't think it ever mattered. There is nothing Maul could have done to change the fact that it is Anakin who is the chosen one. The chosen one is the one that he needed to manipulate to carry out his grand scheme of ruling the Galaxy with an iron fist. Everyone else was expendable for this reason.

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And people are wondering why my username is grief-ous and not grievous.

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Unfortunately he became a spider centaur and then a bipedal centaur, when he was actually supposed to be a wheelchair centaur tsk tsk.

Then there's grievous who just got a little too carried away with it all...