What if Kylo CAN talk to Vader's ghost?

I don't view this as possible.
Now, I know that it was suggested tpre-TFA that the Force ghost of Anakin/Vader could return and be of both light and dark, but this was just the idea of a designer and not something that occurs in canon. Anakin was redeemed. Vader was no more - and a Dark Sider (or part of a dark sider) cannot live on beyond death.

However, what is established in canon is the idea of a vergence in the Force. A place that can be imbued by the light or dark. For example, the cave on Dagobah was a place "strong with the Dark Side of the Force".

I would propose that, if Ren has had any sort of communication with Vader, it is through objects that are imbued with his evil. This isn't really Ren talking with Vader, but rather visions that are actually based upon Ren's state of mind that he interprets in a certain way.
When he asks Vader to "show him the darkness" or whatever it is he asks, I believe this is because Ren once had a vision (perhaps similar to Rey's and perhaps induced by Anakin's old saber - hence why he is after other Vader artefacts to try and rekindle another such vision) where he believed Vader was speaking to him through the Force. He likely thinks this because Snoke put such an idea in his head. I think this vision was likely tied into the Luke/Vader confrontation on Bespin and I think Ren took from that the idea of what his destiny is. That was arguably Vader's strongest moment - and something Ren would aspire to.

So in short, I don't think he has actually communicated with Vader, but he just thinks he has.

 

Well, Vader was redeemed and Sith can't be force ghosts anyway. So whatever Ren is seeing (hearing?) comes from either Snoke or the force itself. I just assumed that Vader's mask is much like Anakin's lightsaber, able to "communicate" with strong force sensitives. Chances are that just like the saber, the mask is showing what happened around it in the past and what might happen in the future depending on what the force sensitive needs to see. So its "message" might be influenced by Ren's beliefs and desires, causing him to have a skewed view of the dark side. He wants to see the power but not the horrors, and that's probably what the mask is showing. The lightaber on the other hand is probably "telling" the truth, because Rey is not lying to herself. But they're the same in the end.

 

Kylo Ren thinks he is talking to his grandfather but he actually sees/hears Snoke as Darth Vader. Snoke is manipulating him all along. Hopefully we get to see what this manipulation looks like in EPVIII.

They could use this concept art:

 

i think that kylo wants it so bad that he's convinced himself that he's talking to vader or can somehow feel his presence. he's riding the line between sane and nuts.

 

I can't say anything that would better explain things as you did. I agree with everything you said 100%

 

That's not possible. Sith can't become force ghosts. They're too selfish.

 

unless they have a death bed conversion like anakin did.

 

I think Anakin did it because he's the chosen one .

 

That's not a ghost though.

 

No offence but Darth Bane is a bad example. If a meeting takes place, it will be quick & to the point.


When Ani gets back to the force party this might happen.

 

Many people think that his personality(chosen one) was divided into Anakin and Vader, hypothetically Snoke could summon the red ghost for Kylo. Perhaps the Supreme leader manipulates Ben using visions.
I consider that Darth Bane is not a bad example.

 

The use of a Anakin/Vader force ghost (or just redeemed Anakin) is just too good and too powerful to the narrative for them NOT to use. Untill right before we heard of the sequels being made, Star Wars was about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. I don't think a character with such weight would be just used as being cited through pieces of the artifacts he used. In TFA there is already implied yoda and kenobi force ghosts, talking to Rey through the forceback. So we know 'them force ghosts' are still around. It just builds up to the whole mystery as to what has happened to the Anakin force ghost we saw in ROTJ. We -know- he, possibly the main protagonist of Star Wars throughout the saga so far, is still around as a force ghost. If he -didn't- made an appearance somehow would be a plothole in the story IMHO. I'm very much expecting him to make an appearance, if not in episode VIII it would be in IX.

Wouldn't something feel lacking if we didn't see Anakin/Vader at all in the sequel??

 

If he could talk to Vader's ghost, Vader would tell him not to join the darkside since he turned to the lightside at the end of Return of the Jedi.

 

Yep that's what we hope.

Anakin ''Ben the darkside leads to one's destruction, I know since I experienced it, you must return to the light.''

 

DUDE, YES!!!!!!!!!!!! This is exactly what I have been saying for agers!!!

But I actually thought that it could be Sidious communicating to him as the presence of his grandfather!
First off, Vader unfortunately could not return, as Anakin did manage to kill him at the end of ROTJ and take his place in the ghost form with Yoda and Ben! (YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY)
As we know tho, (Old lore) a sith can not take a physical ghost form and just appear! It's not the way it works they enter through dreams and Holocron manipulation!

Hear me out! HEAR ME OUT HERE! What if ....!
- Sidious died but had managed to split his conscious mind from his body, ( like Exar did )..... Now, Sidious always had a back up plan, and my guess is he probably had one, lets say if Vader turned on him! NOW, what if Sidious had another apprentice, perhaps aboard the final Deathstar and when the Deathstar exploded that apprentice survived, just but was terribly wounded and there is Snoke! Mkay! Now, a split conscious can take some time to manifest to the point of contact! Sidious, finally gets to his now, older, disfigured apprentice and shows him how to raise not only a Storm Trooper army, BUT a new generation of Siths, and Luke currently has them all!! Sidious would appear to a younger Kylo as his grandfather filling his head with lies and manipulations about Luke and the Jedi!
Would explain why Snoke has control of the F/O (Empire), why his music is similar to Sidious and why he's all busted up!

Again, just a theory, an idea I had.....

 

@Quicksilver That is not a force ghost. That is an illusion of Darth Bane created by the Force Priestesses as part of Yoda's trials. It was established in The Clone Wars that it is impossible for Sith to live on after death. This is why Yoda says they're "captivated by the physical realm". The path to becoming a force-ghost involves conquering your inner dark side, and acting out of pure selflessness via the light side.

 

I do not equate the illusion Darth Bane and a force ghost. These concepts are clearly separated, of course, "a red ghost" has a different structure. It is impossible for Sith to live on after death, but something creates a source of this illusions! And I just assumed that Snoke can do things like this and maybe he is manipulating Kylo Ren thus. It's all.

 

What I want to know is:

Why did Kylo ask to be shown the darkness "one more time"?

Did he need more motivation or was he seeking clarity?

Who or what was behind the first vision?