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SPECULATION What if Snoke became more powerful that we could imagine?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by McDiarmid, Apr 17, 2018.

  1. McDiarmid

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    Kylo Ren has killed Snoke.

    However this event looks strange to some hardcore fans to this date.

    Snoke demonstrated ultimate intelligence, he has fooled countles enemies in the past (thare are clues he lived for centuries ), including Luke Skywalker, he controlled Ben Solo from his youth, and has fooled Rey and Kylo by bridging their minds.

    He has also demonstrated perultimate power, he wielded Rey in the air by moving just his finger, and extracted all her thoughts with ease, something that was impossible for Kylo when Rey was even less powerfull in episode VII.

    Snoke has taken Skywalker's Lightsaber, and has placed it near his side, almost - like he wanted something to happen with that saber near him.
    This saber emanates immense power, and is a symbol of Chosen one. It has special properties and is not just a weapon.Its a Force carrier.
    Snoke wanted that saber very much.

    What if Snoke wanted to be killed by that mythical weapon in a way of sacred ritual understandable only to his superior intellect?

    What if Snoke wanted to get rid of his old dying body, in order to became spirit and posess Kylo Ren? To became more powerfull than anyone imagined?

    Kylo Ren behaves abnormaly after he killed Snoke. He looks like posessed, most beautifull girl in the galaxy is waiting for him jet he stares at Snoke's dead body like a retard, stayes on the Dark side firmly, still wanting what Snoke wanted, absolute control, and to get Rey on the dark side, or destroy her.

    If like Kylo is still influenced, or even posessed by Snoke.

    This will be also a solution for Ben Solo's redemption.

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    Snoke is dead. The whole purpose of Snoke's death was to make Kylo Ren grow as a character. He's a villain in the making. And the villain needs to overcome the opressor to become the opressor himself. Then he's a finished villain.

    If Snoke comes back (or plays a big part in IX), then all of Kylo's development will be ruined.
     
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    But Kylo will be redeemable by this.

    If Snoke is ultimate source of Dark Side that has just transformed once more in many millenia in the show that he orchestrated, there is fight against him ahead, and Ben could be justiffied for killing Han under the influence of this sinster being.

    Kylo will face even greater challenges and grow even more.

    In this case Snoke was responcible for Han,and all missery, not Ben.

    At the end Ben would destroy perultimate evil, source of the Dark Side, not just an old cripple who didnt saw his death coming.

    Only ultimate challenge makes ultimate hero.
     
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    Snoke isn't needed to redeem Kylo.
     
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    Who can redeem murderer of his own father, who did that only to grow as a villain character?
     
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    Rey, Anakin, Luke, Leia, maybe even his cool "uncle" Lando? You can choose whomever you want. But Ren needs to redeem himself without help.
     
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    Actually only Han can redeem him, did you omited Han by intent or by acknowledging problem?

    He is dead you know?

    His own father, from his own hand.
     
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    I omitted him because he's dead and not able to come back as a force ghost. Every other person I mentioned is still alive or can be appear as a force ghost. A dead person can't redeem anyone. Unless Leia dies and Ren realizes his deeds. But that's a different scenario.
     
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    You do understand that Rey was very much fooled about Kylo by Snoke?

    Kylo didn't turned, after killing Snoke he took all responcibility on himself actually, including killing his father, destroying resistance, Luke, and he actually promissed to Luke he will destroy Rey.

    But if he was under influence of Snoke's spirit, there is chance for him, I think.
     
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    fooled about what ? There's the force theme when they touch hands, it's not a manupation by Snoke, there's still light in Kylo.

    Kylo will be the big bad guy of 9 until Hux will try to kill him to become the Supreme Leader, Hux will probably serve Ben's redemption.
     
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    That is why my firend why Kylo is not redeemable ever, because only Han could forgive his soul.
    And if Kylo killed Han only for his cause of growing as acharacter, just as he killed Snoke to grow as a character, redeeming him in his full responcibility is impossible,unless bad writing and another plot hole/immorality of course..

    My reasoning was ,once more, if Snoke is so strong that he influenced Kylo before, and now after it appeared he was killed, Ben is still redeemable because Kylo is not fully responcible for his actions.
     
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    Kylo Ren didn't change after killing Snoke. He was still Kylo Ren. Had Snoke "possessed him" he would act like Snoke (which he didn't).

    I'm laughing at just trying to imagine how they'd explain this in a film. People would lose their minds.
     
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    Hux, that Court Jester will be challenge for Kylo that would further help developing Kylo Ren's character?

    Kylo will take Hux by his throat and say...this is for my father, for the Jedi padawans in camp, for Finn's spine, For Poe torture, for my mother's broken heart from which she died...die Hux...
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    You mean lose their minds more than in some parts of TLJ;)
    Ok, but than Kylo is completly accountable and responcible for all his evil acts.
    Including taking the title of Supreme Leader.
     
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    I'm not sure what to think haha.

    I really hope they don't do the whole superman 4 (or countless other versions before and since) of having Kylo fight himself in IV. Driver vs Driver as Kylo vs Ben. That would be lame.

    As for Snoke, if he managed to come back more powerful than ever, it would give a reason for a Luke the White. Or maybe even a ghost battle alongside a Kylo/Rey duel. Something pretty spectacular could be done with Rey and Kylo dueling while Luke and Snoke duel in the background and both duels going back and forth from background and foreground.

    I'd rather Phasma possessed by Snoke. I'd prefer that over Kylo. I'd rather see Kylo remain himself.

    I doubt any of this comes to pass, but it's certainly fun to speculate.
     
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    Abrams is back, so prepare for a Hux just like in TFA, look at the last shot of Hux in TLJ looking at Kylo while there's soldiers behind him, clearly a foreshadowing of what will happen in 9 (assassination attempt ).
     
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    So,after ReyLo steamrolled few centuries old Dark Side master, Hux is next Kylo's challenge that would make him further grow as a character which will redeem him..?
    ... that will be a real drama we should prepare for it...lol.

     
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    Yeah, this theory barely makes sense and somehow it would have be explained in Episode IX. I can't think of anything in any Star Wars film/TV remotely as complicated at "Snoke killed himself to possess Kylo."

    Anyway... I don't know why I'm even attempting to discuss this rationally. I should know better by now.
     
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    Snoke supposed to be source of the Dark Side.

    It appeared however he was old decrepit master who could not foresee lightsaber rotating at his side, jet he could bridge Kylo and Rey minds trough a distances of thousands of Light years.

    Makes sense.

    Everything is relative, (point of view) we should at least acknowledge that fact.And that is why true debates are possible in the first place.
     
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    I guess you've heard about the Kylo-Rey lovechild theory. If it's true, then I bet that child is Snoke reincarnated. A new vessel for the pure dark force.
     
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