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SPECULATION What if Snoke became more powerful that we could imagine?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by McDiarmid, Apr 17, 2018.

  1. Pobody's Nerfect

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    Why do you think that lightsaber is a Force carrier?
     
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    It might have midichlorians in the fingerprints.
     
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    Snoke was killed by Kylo abusing his master's power to read minds. What seemed like a really useful skill made him not pay attention to his real surroundings which was his downfall. While I do not agree with Snoke already dying in VIII I think his death was very well done. I'm a huge fan of characters defeating a more powerful enemy by turning their strenght into a weakness and Snoke's death was an excellent example for this. Rian put way too much thought into Snoke's death for it to be just a "fake death". The only way I can see Snoke come back is if JJ has other plans for the character but I doubt that JJ will undo what Rian has done.
     
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    That’s assuming they go the way of Kylo becoming a full villain.

    I hope I’m wrong but I personly can’t see them going full fledged villain with kylo, I think they are going to go the thier is still good in him route, for the 3rd film running.
     
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    At the end of TLJ he's a full villain. So his redemption can finally come to an end. He reached the lowest point, so there are only highs now.
     
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    Snoke will come back with a full doctorate in the force and take lectures with an overhead projector. :p
     
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    Snoke will come back with his top half as a robot.
     
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    Superman 3. It’s very VERY important this be accurate. I cannot stress this enough.

    Anyway, back to the topic of this thread . . . yeah . . . I got nothin’.
     
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    We'll have a ten minute long scene of Snoke trying to get the projector working through his laptop, and calling up random people that say they have Comp Sci experience to help, but ultimately give up and just start writing on the blackboard.

    so he can talk out of his ass?
     
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    sorry mate I don't understand your post, are you saying the chances of his redemption have come to and end so he can only become a better person from here? or that he gone past the point of redemption and from now on he is only evil?

    the whole debate seems a bit Deja-vu to me as we basically had the same debate after the Force Awakens when he killed his Dad people saying that was his lowest point, im just hoping they don't repeat the story line for a third time.
     
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    Sorry for the confusion. He's now full on redemption. For a succesful redemption arc you have to see both: power (TLJ) and the deepest abyss (TFA). Kylo Ren now got everything you need.

    I think he will be full villain in the first act of IX. In the second one he gets betrayed and he stands alone. In the final arc he gets redeemed and fights (or dies) for the heroes.
     
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    yup.. Hux & the FO will betray him. Best i can predict.. Hux will acquire the location of Rey and the resistance/rebellion, and he then catches Kylo using the force trying to warn her (coz he is still fixated with her). Hux will use that to turn the FO on him, and Kylo has no option but to flee.

    then he is alone, with nowhere to go. Reckon he'll go someplace to be close to family... maybe his grandfather's old place. He will fall to his knees and call out to Vader.. but no answer. in desperation... he calls out another name... "Anakin!"

    that and what follows will be the most epic Star Wars scene we have ever witnessed. Ben will rise.
     
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    Hux will need the help of the KOR. TLJ pretty muched showed us, that Hux has no chance against Kylo Ren.

    ... in a destroyed Vader castle!

    But before all this we need a lightsaber duel. This ST can't just have one fight in the first movie...
     
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    Luke: He had vanished with a handful of my students.

    *If* those Jedi students are the KOR, then that likely makes them trained Force users - possibly with sabers of their own.
     
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    I'm not convinced they're still around. I just assumed Kylo Ren killed them all already, in true dark-sider style. It's just in the nature of dark side followers.
     
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    And I’m not so sure JJ wouldn’t pounce on the chance to play with one of the few toys that didn’t get touched . . . as it were. Maybe he introduced them in TFA with no particular aim in mind since he thought that job was a one-and-done. Maybe not.
     
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    I was more referring to a 1vs1 fight. => Kylo vs Rey

    JJ once said he wants to make a KOR movie. Now guess who's making EPIX. ;D
     
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    I mean, one thing to keep in mind is that the ST takes place over such a short period of time so far.

    The First Order has apparently been conquering the galaxy during the events of TFA and TLJ, and we've seen Hux/Kylo/Snoke pretty much all together on their Benny Hill chase during that entire period of time. Surely someone else had to be in charge of the conquests of the core worlds. I'd be surprised if the KOR weren't involved with that to some degree.

    And as far as how they'll be used: maybe their true purpose just hasn't come up yet.

    Early reports of TLJ suggested they might have been involved with a fight against Luke on Ach-To, while Rey fought Kylo. Obviously nothing like that happened.

    Instead, the only thing remotely similar to that could've been the Praetorian Guard fight on the Supremacy.

    So, we've got this apparently dark side posse that could potentially be used in IX. Do we just have another big brawl with them? I mean, I guess it would be cool, but it could seem pretty similar to the Throne Room fight.

    Alternatively- they are Luke's old students. While we're all wondering if Kylo could be redeemed, maybe we were looking at the wrong guy. Maybe the KoR are the victims here, and will be more sympathetic villains. Maybe.
     
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    Well, just because they’re a group doesn’t mean they’re all attached at the hip though. If EPIX were to present them as individual characters (I know I’m going down a rabbit hole here), and focus on at least one member to inject a personality and arc (someone’s leading them without Kylo), then a one-on-one could still happen, have relevance, and not have to be a Rey v. Kylo rematch. You wouldn't be mad at that, would'ya?
     
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    I actually want one KOR to be a main character (maybe even a female KOR). So yes, I wouldn't be mad at that.
     
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