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WHAT ONE ELEMENT WOULD YOU CHANGE OF THE ORIGINALS?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by CTrent29, Dec 17, 2016.

  1. Gechoman44

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    Make the Obi-Wan VS Vader fight in ANH more like the duels in TESB and ROTJ
     
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    I would be ok with making this duel a little livelier. With Obi Wan wearing his hood during the entire fight and Vader wearing a mask, this could still be done.
     
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    I would put the deleted scene of Luke making his green lightsaber into Return of Jedi.
     
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    I would have Return of the Jedi be somber and not jovial. The original story idea for episode VI was going to be that it was dark, a lot like The Empire Strikes Back. George Lucas never should've had a falling out with Gary Kurtz. That hurt the original saga.
     
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    I'd have the imperial stormtroopers be more precise.

    And the incest shouldn't have happened either. :eek:
     
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    MOARR BOBA!! If I’m correct, he didn’t fire his blaster except for his wrist mounted one and only once.
     
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    Boba Fett fires at Luke stalking through the halls of Cloud City, shadowing the dudes pushing the frozen Han around. But yeah, Boba is rad! I'd love to see more of him in future live action TV and/or movies. One of my favorite SW characters (boba fett)
     
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    I'm reading through The Making of Return of the Jedi by J.W. Rinzler (The Enhanced Version), and it includes copies of the earlier drafts of the script and I just wanted to come through here and sort of brag for a moment, because I usually get some flack over my nitpick of Lando and Han in ROTJ.
    So...forgive me a moment...


    This was my nitpick from pages back...

    I WAS RIGHT!
    It WAS weird as hell that they didn't have a moment of reconciliation in the film where Han showed ANY anger towards Lando for what he had done, and Han was never given any reconciliatory information to explain why he should be fine with Lando.

    I know it was weird because in one of the earlier drafts, this kind of reconciliation IS in the script.

    Lando and Chewie pass R2 pushing a broom in a hallway; in their cell they meet up with a bearded Han Solo; he scratches the Wookiee’s chest. Han is about to hit Lando when Chewie explains how Lando rescued them on Cloud City.
    - Rinzler, J.W.. The Making of Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (Enhanced Edition)​


    Also...for anyone who ever wondered how the heck Ben ever became more powerful than Vader could imagine if he were dead when he effectively was shown to do nothing but give pep talks and history lessons to Luke, in this same script we get this.

    BEN ​
    (to Luke)​
    I am of greater use to you now, than if I returned to your level. My corporeal self is old and Vader is far too strong. Here I can limit his use of the Force.
    - Rinzler, J.W.. The Making of Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (Enhanced Edition)​

    So there you have it - at least one idea that Lucas was intending. Ben was suppressing Vader's powers.

    Cheers,
    Jayson
     
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    I would have made the major weapon different in Return of the Jedi. We already had a Death Star in ANH I think we needed something new.
     
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    Been thinking a lot about this. Episode 4's revised title, "A New Hope" has always struck me as a bit weak and meh to me. I actually preferred this film's name when it had no episode title and was just known as "Star Wars".

    A better title for the fourth episode might have been "The Rise Of Skywalker" - which has a triple meaning with Luke's rising as a Rebel and novice Jedi, Leia's rising status as a Rebel leader and custodian of stolen Death Star plans, and also as Anakin Skywalker's rise in status in the Empire as the Emperor's personal agent, Darth Vader.

    Sadly, "The Rise Of Skywalker" title is now taken and used in a much less deserving context for the ninth episode, in which Rey Palpatine self-proclaims herself a Skywalker for no valid or justifiable reason, be it from being a blood relative or from marriage to a true member of the Skywalker family. She merely appropriates the Skywalker name because she's embarrassed about being a Palpatine.
     
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    That decision has gotten a lot of grief over the decades. Personally I love that the Emperor would insist on the tool used to destroy the Rebellion be the very thing that both symbolized their greatest victory and his greatest defeat. It informs so much about his personality and ethos that he wanted the Rebels to know their cause was meaningless before they lost - that they’d never truly achieved anything. He needed to ‘make them pay’ in the most demoralizing way he could.

    I don’t know if that’s really what George had in mind at the time, but it just melds so d@mn well with his characterization in the throne room - petty and vengeful. A true representation of the nature of the darkside.
    So the one thing you’d change about the originals is the ending to the sequels? :D

    It was her father that forsook the name. He chose to be nobody instead. He did it to protect his daughter. Her parents abandoned identity and deliberately hid in the shadows for the benefit of Rey. Rey, due to their sacrifice, assumes the most recognizable identity in the galaxy in order to walk in the light. It’s about respecting heritage, not discarding it.
     
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    One thing worth noting, I think, is that Lucas had originally planned for multiple Death Stars in ROTJ, but pulled back from the idea for logistics issues.

    Basically, WE think of the Death Stars as a unique item, but Lucas seems to have thought of them as no different than Star Destroyers. The only time it was unique seemed to be when it was first made. After that, it appears in story drafts like a normal part of the fleet rather than a singular doomsday weapon.

    But the logistics changed the approach and you end up with a more singular doomsday weapon sense of the thing.
    Which, hey, Lucas rolls with that too because Lucas just does what he usually does - 'Whatever we did last time, let's just do the same thing, but the opposite of that this time.'

    I kind of feel like we got the super fleet concept Lucas was originally going for in ROTJ in TROS, though. Just...instead of multiple Death Stars it was thousands of planet killing Star Destroyers.

    Cheers,
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    Yeah, that’s why I wanted to leave myself that little caveat at the end there. It’s more likely something I’m bringing to it rather than intentional.

    According to his ROTJ commentary track, the Deathstar idea was recycled because he didn’t get to do it the way he’d originally wanted to in ANH - a primitive culture helping to overthrow a technological terror. I think we’re both on the same page with George maybe not being the most reliable autobiographer though. So, salty grains aplenty :)
     
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    Also, it was greatly unoriginal of the US to drop an atomic bomb on Nagasaki on August 9th 1945, seeing as they had already dropped one on Hiroshima three days before! I mean, the end of WWII was just sooo badly written! #BadEndingsRuinTheStory :p

    PS: That's actually not a very funny analogy...
     
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    Lucas is about on par with Herodotus for historical accuracy. lol

    Cheers,
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    I understood that reference.gif
     
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    Yeah, but boy does he wear that jacket. You're right though, him and Leia for that matter are misused and show no more development really. Apart from the sibling revelation...Imagine some Han kamikaze action to swing the tide of the battle, I think there's something in that.
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    Wait, but I thought Lando was Snoke???[/QUOTE]
    I really would have loved to have seen Lucas' early idea for the ROTJ ending with Luke putting on Vader's mask
     
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    One of my favorite head-canon bobbles is the idea that Luke was raised a ‘Lars’. That he didn’t learn his true name until Obi-Wan tells him along with the rest of the selective paternal revelations. That when he announces himself to Leia, “I'm Luke Skywalker. I'm here to rescue you,” it was the first time he’d ever said it out loud. That the moment that he chooses to be truly heroic is also the same moment he chooses to be a Skywalker. I don’t know. Makes me smile :)
     
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    Yep. I've argued that this could be a very strong and interesting arc to explore in the Kenobi Show. A sulky, teenager Luke Lars is told the "truth" that his real father was a navigator on a spice transport named Ani Skywalker, and starts to dream of greater things, of lives and adventures beyond Tatooine... In some ways, developing the heroic alter ego "Luke Skywalker" and developing an obsession for ships and speeders. I think that could work really, really well.
     
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    Agree. I would have liked a better duel between Obi Wan and Vader. I know that ANH was made in 1977 but maybe in the remastered version they could have added some new scenes of a few seconds and/or special effects for the duel.
     
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