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WHAT ONE ELEMENT WOULD YOU CHANGE OF THE ORIGINALS?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by CTrent29, Dec 17, 2016.

  1. Obi5Kenobi

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    I would change this:

    Luke Skywalker : But what if this Obi-Wan comes here looking for him?

    Uncle Owen : He won't. I don't think he exists anymore. He died about the same time as your father.

    Luke Skywalker : He knew my father?

    Uncle Owen : I told you to forget it. Your only concern is to prepare those new droids for tomorrow. In the morning, I want them up there on the south ridge working on those condensers.




    To this:

    Luke Skywalker : But what if this Obi-Wan comes here looking for him?

    Uncle Owen : He won't. I don't think he exists anymore. He died about the same time as your father.

    Luke Skywalker : He know my father?

    Uncle Owen : Just because two people died "about the same time" doesn't mean they knew each other, Luke. Seriously. What a dumb question.
     
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  2. Jayson

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    Yeah, but that's not how film logic works. The whole point of that line was to show Luke's pining for this idealism he's put into place of having his Father.
    At this point, it's more important for Luke to be told to focus on the here and now, and not in the clouds (something Yoda even smacks him for later - it's a running theme with him). It also removes the rather minimalist and efficient delivery of information that Owen and Luke have a squarely set young buck - authority figure contest going on where Owen is trying to flex his authority (which we learn is from a place of care) and Luke is trying to flex his freedom and independence.

    It also shows that Owen would rather tell Luke to shut up than answer his question, which implies a mystery about the whole thing.

    Owen's one line of dialogue goes a long way.

    Cheers,
    Jayson
     
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    I agree, but Luke's question is like asking someone from England if he knows "John" because John's from England too.

    What I'd like to know, and maybe it's already been covered in a comic or a novel, is what was Luke told about Anakin? From ANH all we know is that Luke believed that his father was a navigator on a spice freighter. I wonder if he was told that there was an accident or pirates that attacked the freighter he was on and that's how he died. Or, was he told that his father died of a heart attack right on Tatooine? I'd love to know what story was cooked up for him. Also, what was he told about his mother? We got even less about that.
     
  4. Clifford

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    This may be pushing it but I would've loved it if the fights were as epic as this

    I get this may not have been possible since technology was pretty limited back then.
     
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    That's what I meant by the bit about film logic.
    All story logic in a typical film is two things: unrealistically relevant, and an incredible false dichotomy of either/or.
    Nothing in a good story exists outside the relevance of the main characters. If it does, then it's just real life and not a good story.

    Equally, they all position it that the characters either go forward through the overly relevant set up or stop. Which is bull in reality, but good for stories.
    Luke didn't have to push either to be a moisture farmer or go on an epic adventure. Even when his parents die, he's straight up wrong that there's nothing left there for him. Of course there is. He could do any number of things on the planet, or even off of it, but he's positioned like his only choices were ever a) stay home, b) join the galactic battle in some way.

    Nope. Dude could have gone and done just about anything.

    But that would be a very boring story.
    So everything matters, everyone relates, and there's only two paths ever at any point.

    Which is as ridiculous as needing a train to power the time machine in Back to the Future 3 when really they could have just gotten the gas from the one Doc put in the mine in 1885 just a few days prior.

    Luke is such a fake character, in reality. He talks of very little outside of what has to be backdrop drivers for the story, and acts as if he's never been out of the farm once in his entire life, or talked to anyone from anywhere else ever.

    Ben has to tell Luke about Eisley? A place he can drive to in less than a day?

    Even without technology that's just silly. It's not like he's from Bronze Age Athens showing up in modern Brazil, but that's how he's talked to - like he's just the Forest Gump of Tatooine. Don't mind him, he's slow. Special, but really slow.

    But it doesn't matter. None of the backing makes any sense if thought about because it's really only there to fuel up this near cardboard robot of a character and get him kicking along the yellow brick road. Don't scratch the paint or you'll see the metal is just cardboard cut outs.

    Cheers,
    Jayson
     
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    You beat me to this @Clifford I was going to post this as well....or.....this.....

     
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    Better action & choreography, especially the lightsaber fights.
     
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    Hmm. I think it's weird of Yoda to bring it up. Yoda's lines to Obi-Wan indicate a lack of faith in Luke, which I find interesting. He's doesn't really have a lot of faith in Luke as he trains him and only seems to be encouraged with Luke's efforts with accomplishing certain things- i.e. jumping, running and at one point, lifting the X-Wing.

    So, we have these lines:
    YODA
    Luke! You must complete the
    training.

    LUKE
    I can't keep the vision out of my
    head. They're my friends. I've
    got to help them.

    YODA
    You must not go!

    LUKE
    But Han and Leia will die if I
    don't.

    BEN'S VOICE
    You don't know that.

    BEN
    Even Yoda cannot see their fate.

    LUKE
    But I can help them! I feel
    the Force!

    BEN
    But you cannot control it. This
    is a dangerous time for you,
    when you will be tempted by the
    dark side of the Force.

    YODA
    Yes, yes. To Obi-Wan you listen.
    The cave. Remember your failure
    at the cave!

    LUKE
    But I've learned so much since
    then. Master Yoda, I promise to
    return and finish what I've begun.
    You have my word.

    BEN
    It is you and your abilities the
    Emperor wants. that is why your
    friends are made to suffer.

    LUKE
    And that is why I have to go.

    BEN
    Luke, I don't want to lose you to
    the Emperor the way I lost Vader.

    LUKE
    You won't.

    .......................................

    YODA
    Stopped they must be. On this
    all depends. Only a fully trained
    Jedi Knight with the Force as his
    ally will conquer Vader and his
    Emperor. If you end your training
    now, if you choose the quick and
    easy path, as Vader did, you will
    become an agent of evil.
    .........................

    BEN
    Luke, don't give in to hate -
    that leads to the dark side.

    Luke nods and climbs into his ship.

    YODA
    Strong is Vader. Mind what you
    have learned. Save you it can.

    Artoo closes the cockpit. Ben and Yoda stand watching as the roar of
    the engines and the wind engulf them.

    YODA
    (sighs)
    Told you, I did. Reckless is
    he. Now matters are worse.

    BEN
    That boy is our last hope.

    YODA
    (looks up)
    No. There is another.

    Yoda saying that there is another is basically: that's okay- we have plan B. To be honest, that makes Yoda appear callous towards Luke, which doesn't surprise me. Yoda seems worried that Luke will likely take up the dark path and is pessimistic about it, thinking that Luke will be subject to some awful fate- i.e. torture, death, using the dark side, etc.
     
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    It's literally only there because Lucas wanted the audience to doubt Luke's survival so that when he faces danger they can wonder if he's going to bite it because he can since there's another.

    It has jack all to do with Yoda and was never written from any consideration of Yoda's character or the sympathy of the line with Yoda's constitution in the rest of the scene.

    Lucas is pretty blunt and frank about it.

    Cheers,
    Jayson
     
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