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WHAT ONE ELEMENT WOULD YOU CHANGE OF THE ORIGINALS?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by CTrent29, Dec 17, 2016.

  1. Finn is a Jedi

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    People always talk about Chewie not getting a medal and I agree but I also think Wedge should have been part of that ceremony as well. (as well as the Y-Wing pilot who survived who eventually became Evaan Verlaine in canon). I liked that the Cheiwie comic finally showed Chewie's medal and I hope they eventually do the same for Wedge. Maybe show Wedge alone while the ceremony was going on and he's drinking heavily, taking a shot and toasting to each fallen member of Red and Gold squadron and then just show that afterwards Leia gives him the medal in a quiet emotional moment.
     
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    I just re-watched A New Hope last night and the thing hit me is that there are so few pilots during the attack on the Death Star, but then during the medal ceremony there appears to be tons of pilots dressed in their uniform. Just a bit of a discrepancy.
     
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    Maybe @Shoegoo all the pilots in the Resistance were NOT engaged in the DS assault.
    First, to have some of them ready if the DS assault turns bad and all the pilots engaged in are killed.
    Second, because it's kind of a "suicide" misssion, like kamikazes did during WWII, and not every pilot is supposed to be sacrificed.
     
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    This makes the most sense in-world.
    also making that many X-Wings in 1977 was a budgetary issue lol.
    Which is something that we can just acknowledge without an in-world answer IMO.
     
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    I'd never change a thing.

    When the special editions were released I was excited to see Star Wars again in the theater, and even more excited to see what Lucas has made for us. Perhaps I would still enjoy the special editions but the suppression of the unaltered original version has made me very critical of any changes at all.

    Change whatever you like, but those original, groundbreaking, Oscar-winning versions that became a unique phenomenon and a touchstone for multiple generations are part of our cinematic and cultural history and need to be preserved and shared.

    Nothing is perfect, and no amount of changes will make it perfect. More likely they would make it less so.
     
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    Complete Han Solo's story arc. Let him die sacrificing himself for his friends on the moon of Endor.

    Let him start as the smuggler who was only in it for the money and progress to the selfless hero who gives his life for a cause, all because of the love of a Princess.
     
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    I think maybe ESB would be ‘slightly’ better if it played up Luke’s reverence for his father, and his angst toward Vader, a little more. It’s there. It definitely is, but not all that pronounced. It would make that reveal a bit more emotional when slamming those conflicting feelings into each other if it had been built up more. Meh, just something I was thinking about.
     
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  8. Jayson

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    Right?
    I mean, his perspective is that Vader killed his Father and is responsible for the deaths of his Uncle and Aunt.
    It would go a long way if he at least kicked off the fight with something that shows that Luke thinks about this stuff and is affected by it.

    Luke:
    "You destroyed my family!"
    (starts swinging saber angrily)

    Like you said, it's there, but it's kind of muted and really makes it a bit confusing emotionally for Luke's character because we don't quite know where he sits on the idea of Vader - we know where we sit, but not Luke...not really. We don't get an actual idea until he freaks out at Vader and jumps, but it's hard to get a sense of why exactly that freaked him out exactly, because he doesn't really talk about Vader that much for how much he freaked out at him.

    I mean...he found out that he's his Father, but why exactly his reaction was to freak the hell out like a Jewish prison camp escapee finding out that Hitler is his Father has always been a bit of a sticky spot to me...keeping in mind that at the beginning of ANH, Luke wants to join the academy, and we're never really shown anything where someone sits him down and tells him the evil of the Empire in horrific fashion. What he knows is that the Empire killed his Aunt and Uncle, and then he learned that Vader is part of all of this, and then he sees Vader kill Ben, and Ben told him that Vader killed his Father. So...there's a little bit of a, "You're an Peedunky", but his freak out is megaton level.

    You would think, considering how jumpy he is at anything to do with his Father, like a dog to a ball, that he wouldn't have been freaking out like that, but instead stunned and then inquisitive - like, it would take the wind out of his sales and leave him with a TON of questions.

    But that's only seeming that way because we never really see him building and building hate towards Vader; he barely recognizes the damage that Vader has done to his family, from Luke's vantage point.

    Father: Killed by Vader
    Uncle and Aunt: Killed by the orders of Vader
    Obi-Wan: Killed by Vader

    Jesus...
    Good think Luke didn't learn that Vader also effectively killed his Mother; he might have, you know...mumbled about it lightly.

    Cheers,
    Jayson
     
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    Yeah, pretty much where I was coming from here. I knows it’s the nit pickiest of nitpicks, because the premise works fantastically well as is, but if I had to lob a criticism it would be that.

    The turmoil Luke encounters in the wake of the revelation is the cognitive dissonance over having to reconcile his father as who he REALLY is instead of who he thought he was (and the implied duplicity by Ben). The Luke character was modeling himself after the good man he believed his father had been - had been led to believe he was. He admired him and wanted to emulate him to some extent, not knowing the full truth. But the story doesn’t dwell on that much. It’s mentioned once in ANH and once again in ESB.

    And like you said, Vader should logically be the focus of tremendous animosity for Luke. The symbol of all the tragedy that’s befallen him in life. Luke has every reason to detest him and consider him the very opposite of anything he’d ever want to mimic. But we don’t really get much on Luke’s perspective here.

    Being confronted with the harsh reality that the man he’d so inspirationally aspired to become was in fact that very figure of disdain would be well worth that meltdown. Makes perfect sense. Just a ‘dash’ more an both of those points would have been lovely to me. Not needed, but greatly appreciated.
     
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  10. KyloRen16

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    I can't really think of anything because the OT is perfect the way it is. You can't make it any better.

    I guess if I HAD to change one thing though, it would be Boba's death. I wouldn't take it out completely per say, but I'd give him a more "out with a bang" (I know that is technically what happened) type death rather than blind Han getting a lucky shot in.
     
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    No second Death Star.
     
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    I kind of agree with that.

    This end with han's death sacrifing himself for his friends is great. I would loved to see that...but...I also think that his death by the hands of Kylo was great also....hehehe
     
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    The incest.
     
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    Maybe Obi-Wan talking about the blast marks on the sand crawler being from Storm Troopers because they're too accurate for the sand people. Instead maybe state the blast marks are centered around that power core and sand people wouldn't know of that.
     
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    I would've made the Tantive IV battle extended in the original film.
     
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    I'd remove the stupid "Jedi Rocks" sequence from "Return of the Jedi", since it stops the film dead in its tracks and serves no story purpose.
     
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    Great [​IMG] ?
    He is in love with a girl, a royalty, and wants to die - and that would be "great" ?
    Tell me : "greater" than a pregnant giving birth to two siblings and immediately wanting to die ?

    [​IMG]

    That makes no sense! Love is one of the most powerful motors to help one moving forward in life!
    Didn't Anakin made the weirdest things for the love of Padme?

    One should want to die when the wife of one's life quits, or when one's babies die in childhood - never in the opposite way, when one just found a royal love, or just became parent!

    To me, Padme wanting to die, as she just gave life, was the most absurd thing in the whole saga (the way it was shown in the movies ; later, I've read theories about Palpatine's involvment in her death, that calmed me a little).
    Han dying for the love of a Princess should have been ex aequo in the absurdness ranking table.

    :my 2 cents:
     
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    I know Lucas didnt have the money and team to do it, but my god .... this is a beautiful alternative for their iconic duel.

     
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    I don't know how the hell you would do it, but I would make Han being frozen in carbonite actually have some lasting consequences. I love ROTJ (my favourite Star Wars film actually), but it never sat well with me how the biggest cliffhanger in ESB was instantly resolved at the beginning of the next movie.

    Maybe Han could have been weak for the whole movie and felt useless next to Luke. This could give him a reason to be jealous while Leia develops a closer relationship to Luke on their missions for the Rebellion. Granted, this change probably wouldn't work and would completely change the movie, but at least Han would have some character development.

    (I hope to god they don't repeat this in TROS. Please let Kylo do some Supreme leader stuff before he turns or is ousted...)
     
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    That is beautiful.
    It's a shame they didn't stick to Lucas' style of camera blocking and framing.
    It sticks out a lot as very different from the OT footage just in terms of doing things way outside of Lucas' style and preferences with the camera.

    Definitely fits in with modern style, though.

    Cheers,
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