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What qualities TFA needs to be a SUCCESS for YOU?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Ben_Kenobi, Nov 20, 2015.

  1. Ben_Kenobi

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    Hey folks,

    So we're a month away from the movie. It will be discussed extensively after the release; critic reviews, YouTuber analysis, hater rants, etc. I want you to share your personal thoughts and hopes. It would be interesting to look and compare your feelings after you see it.

    So, what qualities does TFA need to be a great "Star Wars" experience for you personally?

    I, above all else, want an emotionally engaging and surprising story and believable deep characters. I don't mind if the plot isn't along the lines of what I imagined the sequels to be. In fact I welcome a fresh take on Star Wars formula, as long as it's in line with the saga stylistically - the heroic myth.

    I want to see a slightly naive, or innocent coming of age story or hero's /heroine's journey explored. It can be contemporary for modern audience but I hope it doesn't loose the spark of clear "good vs. evil."

    From the space combat I hope to see interesting, tense dog fights with solid film editing (please no b.s. fast cutting) with visually impressive naval combat tactics. Hopefully at least some of those will include practical effect explosions like the OT but I won't hold my fingers crossed.

    The mysticism of the force. It's essential to me they don't explore in minute detail new concepts of the force that aren't present in the original films. They can build the mythology surrounding the force but keep it wrapped in mystery for us to speculate on.

    A powerful duel. I don't mind if the film has only one short saber duel but I'm interested how the narrative will lead to it. Some argue ROTS battle was the best, it was intricate and flashy. I didn't like it as much. Even the Kenobi/Maul duel I can only watch so much (it was the strongest in the prequels, imo.) Nothing will ever match the ROTJ sequence. It oozed drama, visual storytelling, conflict, and the music was pure magic. The way TFA battle can match it is - Luke against insurmountable odds, fighting not like Kenobi, with abandon, but as a JEDI who has everything to loose (for ex. his failed attempt to raise new generation of Jedi) and sacrifice himself.

    Lastly, I never imaginedI'd give it much thought but to this day we haven't heard anything on the score and I'm absolutely psyched to hear what J.Williams cooked up for us. Some classic theme overtures/rearrangements are fine in my book but the new score needs to stand tall on its feet to give this film the impact it needs. I'm hopeful the "Knights Of Ren" theme is haunting and not reminiscent of the Imperial March. I imagine the opposite, a simple chilling melody accented by cryptic chorus. And the young cast, particularly Rey's theme needs a very warm, gentle touch.

    I'm not discussing all the practical effects, crazy action, and spectacular scenery. The two teasers and the final trailer (all I'm willing to watch) have convinced me this will be a visual feast.

    What are your thoughts? Please share here.
     
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    I agree. With everything.

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    I agree, but am even easier to please.

    Just show me a light saber and give me a little more story of Luke, Han, Leia, and the Falcon.

    (These basic interests have been laying dormant since 1987 and are now officially piqued.)
     
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    - I want to see some stuff that's not copied from ANH
    - I don't want this movie to be about Rey's feelings wrapped in a Star Wars coat. Sorry to say but KK said that having so many women working on the movie changes the story and point of view (her literal words). I hope this doesn't mean we will see more drama and less action or other interesting things. (in the trailers we already see Rey cry and Finn telling her she CAN do it, bleeeh)
    - I want the characters to resonate with the audience. ALL the characters to the WHOLE audience, not 1 for each demographic group.
    - Memorable side characters (important SW topic).

    :)
     
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    good cinematography
    (already looks good - check) ... although the shot of the Falcon in the new Finn promo... i hope that is due to the editing for tv cause that looked too fast to take in the lovely visuals.. personally. ​
    good dialogue
    i was actually shocked at some of the lines in Avatar.. i was like.. this is the same guy that gave us the marines in Aliens? Seriously?
    i have faith in Lawrence Kasdan​
    good story
    here is where i'm worried.. at least Abrams wasnt allowed to bring in his 3 favorite hacks (alex kurtzman, david lindelof and Roberto Orci) he wanted to though!
    i have faith in Lawrence Kasdan
    it will be a success to me if its JUST a watchable movie. i have very low criteria. i just want to be entertained without the need to yell at the screen
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    the opposite of Jurassic world basically ;)

    i WANT the 'Children of Men' of Star Wars movies..
     
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    To be bold and different and not be too nostalgic.

    No rehashing of what has come before, but taking Star Wars into new territory but keeping the FEEL and TONE of Star Wars.

    Key thing is character and story. Something with some emotion, where you ROOT for the good guys and hate the bad guys.

    Biggest issue I am having is Kylo Ren does not look scary to me. He's not as scary as Maul or Vader, and he's supposed to be the villain, but he does not have that threatening era.
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    Kurtzmann and Orci VIOLATED my childhood.
     
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    Finn
     
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    Worrying...

    The writers in the writing room are 6 out of 8 in favor of women, and I hope it's not fully translated into the film where that adventurous feel of the original films are lost because of TOO MUCH of a female touch. You do need a woman's touch, but it should not be heavily favored in women's favor thus changing the tone of Star Wars....which would not be good.

    This is Star Wars, not a Sydney Sheldon movie.
     
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    I wasn't aware star wars being a chick flick was a worry? Then again, I've heard rumors of star wars going black because of finn, so I guess people worry about tons of stuff.

    Besides, aren't the main writers men?
     
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    Because women can't possibly get the adventure? And are only into romance novels? :rolleyes:

    You do know that Sidney Sheldon is a MAN?
     
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    1 - A somewhat novel and coherent plot (doesn't need to be awesome, just solid)
    2 - Well written dialogue!!!!!!!!
    3 - Believable, relatable, 3-dimensional characters who grow during the process with solid acting
    4 - That Star Wars feel and look

    Everything else is icing on the cake. Basically give me a well written story reasonably well executed and it blows the PT out of the water and brings Star Wars back from the brink.
     
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    I agree. Look, my biggest worry for this film is that it will have a subtle politically correct, progressive message within it. No, not because the main hero and one of the main villains is female, or because there's a black storm trooper. Diversity is a great thing. I want to see a more diverse Star Wars universe. But I want to see diversity be implemented for diversity's sake. Not to prove a social point. And I'm afraid that, knowing Disney, Star Wars will turn into a cultural cesspool of social justice and feminism. If that's the case, the Star Wars we know and love, the one that made Lucas and Disney very rich, will never be the same. So Disney, keep out the social garbage. There's no place for earth's bullcrap in space.

    P.S: I'm not trying to offend anyone. I respect everyone's opinions so long as they do the same. Just being real. Unfortunately, these days that is frowned upon.
     
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    If we can just find Luke. That will be a success
     
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    Thank the maker they didn't allow him that...
     
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    Preach.

    As a Nigerian, I HOPE that Boyega was cast because he's a great up and coming young actor, not because we need to be given a handout as blacks.

    That is why I took issue with Kathleen Kennedy saying there has to be a female director of Star Wars and 6 out of 8 of the writing team are female.

    Star Wars is just a movie about the force and lightsabers and family. It's not a political fraternity that should be used for an agenda because it's so popular now.

    That's why we have genres.

    Documentaries or Oliver Stone films can do that, but not Space Operas.

    This is where we escape from the crap of the world we live in, not to be reminded of it.
     
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    At this rate, I'm just hoping to see space combat at all.
    First we hear that Battlefront wasn't going to feature any space combat.
    And now with all the footage we've seen of TFA, the closest glimpse we have of any kind of space combat is an explosion in space.
    They really seem to be trying to make up for the lack of atmospheric battles in the rest of the saga.


    There's actually people who think that...?


    As long as they don't pull something stupid like when Anakin Vader marched up the Jedi temple steps to the Confederacy theme.
    The first real act of the Empire, and they couldn't even use the Imperial March.
    Worst use of music in the entire series.




    I don't have a problem with wanting to have more, interesting female characters, but I do worry about the loss of classic mythological symbolism...
    Did the story group ever wonder why there were no women in the Empire? It wasn't because of gender inequality within the industry.
    No, they've gone and "fixed" that social injustice with all their female officers and commanders... despite the fact that the Empire is supposed be a literal representation of social injustice.
     
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    Oh, I think I got it mixed up with another female writer that my Mum was into...always get the names jumbled up.

    I'm not saying women don't get adventure, but I look at the facts. Mostly it's men who come up with and write stories of the TYPE of Star Wars, Star Trek and Matrix.

    So my point was not to make Star Wars have more of a female feel. Leave it as Star Wars and what it is organically.

    Great example is Amy Hennig, who does not write like most women. Or even Kathryn Bigelow who does not have the average female sensibilities.

    I would just like that Star Wars does not get changed in order for some agenda or push.
     
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    For me, The Force Awakens has to have certain elements that click for me.

    First, the film needs at least one major ground combat battle. We know it's coming in the form of the Maz Kanata Castle Battle at least and maybe some stuff coming soon on Starkiller Base as far as we know.

    Second, you are going to need a storyline that FLOWS. With Kasdan writing this film, I don't even have to worry.

    Third, the film needs proper music tonality and movement that attaches where it is supposed to. John Williams has mastered this and I cannot wait to hear it on the opening night.

    Fourth, we need characters that are all vulnerable on some level. These characters are more relatable when we know they aren't perfect. We will see this flush out as the films progress. It is only a matter of time until we see how this works out in the end.

    Fifth, we need a good lightsaber fight. We have seen so many different styles and from what I have seen, I can guess we are going to get a style that feels rushed like a good Japanese sword combat fight, but it will also feel very medieval as well in the sword techniques. This is something new that we have not seen and you can really feel the full blend of it in the first official trailer at the very end when we catch that tiny little glimpse of Kylo and Finn about to duke it out.

    And finally..... More than anything... I need a Luke Skywalker. Dead or alive. Hologram, Force Ghost, Jack in the Box, sitting on a toilet..... I don't care. I just need Luke to make an appearance, say a few lines that will tie into the future generation, and stamp a big fat sexy ending on it and call it a day. I have been fanboying about this movie for over a year and a half and now that we are so close, I realize how much I only really need compared to what I thought I wanted. Either way, I am very accepting to the entire new cast and ideas for this movie and ready to see where this goes from here.
     
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    I agree,

    the finale of the movie needs to be executed right to send the audience home feeling mystified and that star wars has officially returned to the big screen.

    Oh, and the abbreviation for finale only has one "n".
     
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    TFA will be a success for me if it actually engages me in what's happening. In most of these big-budget superhero movies, I couldn't care less about what's going on. A lot of that is due to the incessant joking that goes on in those films (the worst offenders are the Joss Whedon films).
    Thankfully TFA appears to have much more dramatic weight than the Marvel Matinee fare.
     
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