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SPECULATION What was Obi-Wan and Yoda's Plan?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by nds0401, Nov 2, 2015.

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    I think Lucas was using a metaphor to ease Brackett into Star Wars. My point with that quote was that Palpatine had the potential to become a Celestial.
     
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    Yeah, that would have been stupid.
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    ...damn it, Lucas...
    I meant from Obi-Wan's point of view.
     
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    Being the chosen one has it's little bonuses.
     
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    Cross their fingers and hope that in that galaxy far far away in the future, it wasn't 1999 yet.
     
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    Re: eggs in a basket: Especially if there was another. I kind of understand when it was a matter of protecting the twins to keep them separate, and Obi Wan was close to Luke so obviously the one who is more likely to be trained (even though it turns out Uncle Owen didn't let that happen, I'm assuming). But, once Luke and Leia are put together, it would have been better to start training both of them. I understand it from a telling-the-story standpoint of a big reveal later, Luke is set up on the hero's journey, etc, but from the logical standpoint, Leia should have been brought into the Jedi thing a lot earlier.

    To be fair, I think Vader was even denial about the good and evil always being a part of him. That was probably part of his downfall, because he couldn't accept the idea of the two sides co-existing in him; if he was evil then that must mean he is all evil, and you get him fully embracing the dark side. Yoda you think would be wise enough to sense it. Obi Wan was too close to really see it objectively.
     
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    To be fair, I think Vader was even denial about the good and evil always being a part of him. That was probably part of his downfall, because he couldn't accept the idea of the two sides co-existing in him; if he was evil then that must mean he is all evil, and you get him fully embracing the dark side. Yoda you think would be wise enough to sense it. Obi Wan was too close to really see it objectively.


    Anakin is not the only one who failed to consider the idea of both good and evil existing within himself. They all did. Well . . . all of them had good and evil co-existing within themselves. And I suspect that at least most of them failed to truly realize this. This is the reason why Obi-Wan tend to regard Anakin in that one-dimensional manner in the OT movies. I doubt if he was ever truly able to acknowledge both the good and evil within himself, let alone within Anakin. The main problem with most of the characters - in both trilogies - is that they tend to regard morality in such a one-dimensional manner. Perhaps Luke was beginning to acknowledge this about himself, let alone his father. But I am not really sure. Palpatine seemed to be aware of the idea of both good and evil existing within everyone, but I got the feeling that he was merely paying lip service in his attempt to manipulate Anakin.

    I suspect that George Lucas believed in the idea of good and evil existing within everyone, but I also suspect that he had portrayed his characters as being unaware of this. Or at least, most of them.
     
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    Wait around for Luke or Leia to become Jedis, or perform force ghost seppuku
     
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    You are right; both good and evil existed in Anakin. Obi Wan never forgave Anakin for what he had done, believing he had been consumed by Darth Vader. The Jedi are known to believe that you cannot be redeemed once you turn to the Dark Side. Yoda said in ESB, 'Once you start down the Dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi Wan's apprentice.' The Jedi gave up on Anakin. It never occurred to them that it would be Darth Vader who would destroy the Sith.

    But this leads me to question; Why did Obi Wan and Yoda think that Luke was the only hope for the Galaxy? Surely they could find another Force sensitive child. It seems unfair that they expected Luke to kill his own father unknowingly. Of course, Luke's bloodline did make him a threat to the Emperor and that's why the Jedi kept such a close eye on him. But leading a young man (who held his "dead" father in such high esteem) to kill his father unwittingly seems very harsh to me.
     
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    An offspring of the Chosen One has a higher change of being more powerful than some random Force sensitive.
     
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    That is true, and I understand why the Jedi thought Luke would bring balance; they thought he had the potential to be the Chosen One. It is still a lot to ask of someone. The Jedi wanted Luke to kill Vader without ever knowing that he was his father.
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    Yes, I believe George Lucas wanted Anakin to represent our nature. We all have the good and evil inside of us (re: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde) but it is up to us to decide which aspects we want to define us.

    I remember a line from Tomorrow Land that said basically this:

    There are two wolves fighting inside of us. One is anger, greed, hate and fear. The other is kindness, faith, hope and love. Which wolf wins? The one we feed the most.

    But sometimes it's not that simple. Anakin wanted to save Padme, and this love for her ultimately led to his downfall. However it was mainly the fear of losing her that turned him to the Dark Side.

    And Darth Vader represents a broken man, someone who has lost everything and knows that he's done unspeakable things, but doesn't see a way out. So he just feeds off his sorrow and hate and becomes lost in his anger, so lost that he almost kills his own son. He denies the good in him because it is too painful to realise his mistakes and to turn away from the path he had become so lost down. But Luke brings him back. If Vader was truly consumed by evil, Luke wouldn't have been able to do that.

    But what's most interesting is the fact that no other Jedi, not even Obi Wan could see the good in Vader, but Luke was adamant he could be saved. It is that familial bond that caused Luke to sense the weak light of goodness in Vader. He called it a conflict. But no one else could see it. It goes to show the power of family, as Anakin's son who barely knew him, redeemed Vader and brought him back to the light, even when Anakin's best friend who had known him for 13 years couldn't reach out to him at all.
     
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    Well i cant remember what book it was but i read it was like 3.5 years between the Empire and Jeni movies but now the books are not canon so there is no REAL answer :( and why they waited so long was so that Jabba wasn't expecting a rescue and lowered his guard..
     
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    It saw a shame time travel did not exist in their galaxy, the future could have been different, but then we would have not any knowledge & experience darkside etc.
     
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    The time frame between Empire and Jedi is 1 year, both in Legends and canon (the old numbers did not change).
     
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