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SPECULATION What Would Palpatine Have Done?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by SegNerd, Jul 11, 2016.

  1. Amanaman

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    That's true my friend. Jedi have been known to kill evildoers left and right so what difference does it make to kill a dude even if you are angry? So if a Jedi gets fed up and disgusted by a child murdering alien and he/she kills said alien out of hate for all the harm he has done, all of a sudden said Jedi wants to become evil? That makes no sense.
     
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    No, like doing the action but with the force :p. Maul force-pushes Obi-Wan over the edge in the plasma refinery during The Phantom Menace.
    The dark side feeds off negative emotions. Killing someone out of hate only works to fuel the toxic energy flowing through your veins. For example, Anakin uses the dark side for the first time when his mother Shmi is slain. Over the course of the Clone Wars, we see him start to use it more and more often, culminating in the murder of Dooku. In a BTS Clone Wars video, George Lucas explained that it's like the most powerful spice in the galaxy. The dark side gives you a sense of complete and utter power and control.

    The Jedi try to avoid killing, but when they are forced to, it is not something they take pleasure in, so it in no way turns them towards the dark side. The light side is like a drug as well, but unlike the dark side, it gives one a feeling of inner peace and acceptance.
     
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    The Jedi use the Force only for knowledge and defense.-Yoda

    What Palpatine was trying to do is get Luke to give into his anger, which he did. He tells Luke, If you take your weapon, I'm unarmed, murder me and you will complete your path towards the darkside. Luke giving in to his anger only set him down the path and only turned away after he would not murder an unarmed Vader.

    In a way Vader blocking Luke's attempt on Palpatine kept him from completing his path towards the darkside.
     
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    This may be grounds for beginning a new topic (since I don't want to go off-topic on this thread): why did Vader defend Palpatine? Doesn't he say in TESB, "Luke, you can destroy the Emperor - he has foreseen this. It is your destiny!"?
     
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    You're right, he may have known. However, how the story was told, the audience had no clue about force lightning and we tended to figure out the story as Luke did. So, I can only assume he had no clue and that Yoda only prepared him to fight Vader who was incapable of using force lightning.
     
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    How the story was told in 1983 != how the story is told now. If you watch the movies in chronological order, you'll already know about Force Lightning by the time you get to ROTJ.
     
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    The novel says the Vader couldn't let Luke kill Palpatine yet, that he wasn't ready for that emotionally. He needed more extensive tutelage, training from the both of them, before he'd be ready to assume his place at Vader's right hand, ruling the galaxy.

    With both training Luke, he would then choose to follow Vader or Palpatine.

    You would also know Vader was Luke's Father.
     
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    Gotcha. That makes sense!
     
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    Which Luke was also aware of by the time he meets Palpatine.
     
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    "Ah, yes. A Jedi's weapon, much like your father's."
    "You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it."

    These quotes always confused me. Obviously, the Jedi are not the only ones to use lightsabers. Is this just another case of some sloppy writing? Or was Palps using it condescendingly? Just curious really, what some other thoughts on this are, or if some kind of explanation was ever offered.
     
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    He was using it condescendingly in my opinion.
     
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    Palpatine never said "Exclusively a Jedi's weapon." Also, it's likely that in 1983, the Sith were intended to be Jedi who stayed loyal to the Republic/Empire.
     
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    I thought you were talking about the very final duel, and that is the clip I was watching. The earlier clip is helpful.
     
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    wait what...wheere did it say that?
     
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    In the third draft of ANH (the fourth was the last), Vader commands many Sith Lords. I felt like they were Jedi who followed him to the dark side.
     
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    Maybe that was retconned into Vader's "Secret apprentices ." / /
     
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    Or, perhaps even more recently, as the Inquisitors?
     
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    But only htre emperor commanded them right ?
     
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    So, Greedo shot first, eh?
    --- Double Post Merged, Aug 4, 2016, Original Post Date: Aug 4, 2016 ---

    I am intrigued by the correct order to watch the films. One could argue that you should watch them in chronological (by universe time) order, but then one of the biggest cinematic twists of all time—“Luke, I am your father”—becomes irrelevant. Additionally, Luke finding out that Leia is his sister is also lackluster, as we as an audience would know both these things.

    As far as this community is represented, episodes 4-6 are labeled as “Original Trilogy” (original = present or existing from the beginning; first or earliest) and 1-3 are titled “Prequel Trilogy” (prequel = a movie containing events that precede those of an existing work). Using these definitions, the prequel should be watched after the existing/first or earliest work, following a timeline of our universe, not their’s.
     
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