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What would you change about the Original Trilogy?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Ooobly Jooblies, Mar 25, 2015.

  1. Get In Gear

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    That always seemed weird to me, even when I was young.
    Leia waits until everyone is asleep, and we see plenty of Jabba's crew dozing around the throne room when she walks through... But it always made me think, how did that pan out exactly - I mean it always seems like "Boushh" was invited to stay and enjoy the party once the Wookiee deal comes off... were rooms provided for everyone, or did she pretend she was leaving and go and hide somewhere? How could she be so sure everyone was accounted for, given that Jabba's throne was empty now? Did Jabba announce it was time for bed then everyone sneaked off behind the curtain once Boushh's back was turned? How did he work out the bounty hunter was a phoney and was really there to rescue Han?
    It's all very silly - but it's not the kind of thing that annoys me, I just kind of find it amusing.

    But yeah, it's very lazy - it works for the audience if you don't stop to think about it, because on the surface you get caught up in the: "oh, it was Leia, she's rescuing Han... oh no, they've been captured." But as soon as you go over it in your head, you realise that must have been the plan all along, so there was never any genuine sense of drama.
    Unless Luke was just being a bastard and didn't actually tell them what the whole plan was, and that he was already on his way.

    It definitely foreshadows the way the whole prequel plot panned out, particularly in AOTC, where we presume Palpatine was pulling the strings the whole time, yet to have done so would have required him accounting for so many independent choices made by other characters where he couldn't have possibly been able to, plus countless coincidences to enable his scheme to go according to plan, that it all just becomes too ridiculous to make sense...
     
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    @Get In Gear I always wondered was it planned that Leia would hit her head on the chimes before she rescues Han to tip off Jabba someone was there? Or was it a real blooper on her part, and they just left it in?
     
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    I would have kept Had Abbadon in RotJ!
     
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    Return of the Jedi is utterly chuck full of "because movie" sort of moments, stuff is happening but very little of it makes any sense if you really stop to think about it.

    For example, the Emperor apparently being totally clueless that Luke was even on Endor, and it seeming to take an entire day for Vader to arrive, and Luke telling Leia that Vader is here now on this moon before his shuttle has even landed.

    And then Luke is brought before the Emperor who was previously not aware there were any rebels at all oh Endor and totally changes his tune and spills the beans that he was planning it out the whole time and they all fell for it!

    And then next thing you know Han's strike team is getting rounded up very slowly by Imperials until Ewoks out of nowhere!

    And of course Han and the crew need to get inside the bunker and somehow R2 is the only one with a robotic penis pr whatever that thing is that can interface with the door and open it.

    And chicken walker tripping over some logs and inexplicably exploding.

    Send three squads to help!

    It's so dumb. It's a trap! Indeed it is Admiral Akbar, indeed it is.

    Oh, who can forget seeing the Death Star explosion from the surface of the Endor and Han and Leia just apparently happening to be sitting there, looking up not even a hair out of place. It really is that bad, awkward hugs and stares ending and all.

    Anyone own the VHS tapes released just before the special editions came out?

    Watch the "special interview" with George Lucas and Leonard Maltin for a real in depth look into the process of making the films. It's basically Lucas trying to sound smart talking about "the process" involved in coming up with different environments for the movies and it just sounds like he wasn't even there at all.

    It goes so perfectly with the film, it's like he's really taking it for granted that you're going to buy whatever he says.
     
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    All true...
    ... but I do have a big place in my heart for Jedi.
     
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    I would make the empire less stupid and have a plot twist where Luke dies at the death star! The empire has millions of storm troopers, a ball that can blow up planets, and two sith lords, how did they die again?
     
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    Show Palpatine dissolving the Senate. It would make the Empire feel more like an Empire and less like a bunch of guys with a weapon.
     
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    I've always took it as, "lets all infiltrate, then figure it out as we go". Beyond leia's plan to bust out han, everything else was made up on the fly.

    To set a better trap for the bounty hunter. I'd be easy to fight of a bounty hunter hampered by a blind, crippled Han then one at full strength. Jabba was clearly willing to just kill Han. He could've had him refrozen if he wanted to.

    That's a classic sneaking in troupe. If its in the woods, people will step on a twig, it will seem like there is no consequence until the monster swoops down. If it is someone trying to steal a necklace or key off a sleeping person, they always make some minor noise bump that bites them in the ass, but only after a fake out.
     
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    I have a few suggestions:

    ANH: Add a bit more emotion to Leia when the Death Star blows her planet up and actually show it to the audience so that the audience can care more about Alderaan being destroyed. She was raised there her whole life and for her to have - what it basically amounts to - a non-reaction to the destruction of her adoptive planet, it's as if the planet was not important to her (so why should the audience care about it?). Personally, I would've liked to see the landscape of Alderaan but that's probably asking for too much considering the technology available at the time.

    The scenes from where the MF leaves Tatooine to where it gets to the area where Alderaan used to be (i.e. the MF on Hyperdrive) seem to give that sequence a slower feel that I personally haven't been a fan of (the dialogue in the MF was ok but still, it felt a bit slow). I'd like to see either more action occur or have that sequence sped up.

    The lightsaber colors could have been made a bit more vibrant (to match the PT lightsabers' vibrancy) but I think this topic has probably been beaten to death and as of the Blu-ray release of the entire saga, it seems as its the best that they can do for the time being [this isn't really something that couldn't be done in 1977, it's more of something that is done retroactively in today's world, but you get my point]

    I'll update this posting later on to include more of my suggestions.
     
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    More menacing stormtroopers and better lightsaber fights which the prequels managed to improve on.
     
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    I agree with everyone who said that the Ewoks should be replaced by Wookies. But for the love of Gaben, PLEASE keep in Wicket. Make him like a son of Chewie or something.
     
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    Really, I kind of agree with this. While it is a departure from the baseline story somewhat, it would've added weight to the "menacing Empire" and how it came to be that way....to a degree. Show us a shot panning across the politicians faces as they stand there in disbelief at what they're hearing......the final fragments disappearing and the final death throws and end of the republic.
     
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    Maybe we'll see something like this in Rogue One.
     
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    I love the sentiment, but only partially agree. In my opinion, barring the new musical scene in RotJ, everything that has been added to the OT is nothing but an enhancement to the saga. That being said, there are other aspects I would change, but nothing major.
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    I agree that further Jedi training for Luke would have been great. Perhaps even throw in the part in RotJ where he is constructing his light-saber.
     
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    Han Solo needed much more meaningful character development in ROTJ (especially to justify Harrison Ford's reluctant involvement). It could have gone like this....Han (formerly a selfish loner) could now be reacting to the fact that all of his friends risked everything to save him from Jabba. We could have a quiet moment where he insists (to Leia) that he will lead the battle against the new death star (he sat most of the Yavin battle out). This means that he would pilot the Falcon during the attack on the Death Star. But the catch is that Lando needs to help Han as, Han has NOT forgiven him. So Lando insists on being Han's co-pilot. I think that exploring that fragile relationship would have made the space battle so much more fun, with Han and Lando bickering in the middle of this last ditch effort against the Empire. Chewy would have been great crammed into the gun turret. Perhaps Chewy is hilariously frustrated as he has to pull double duty getting in and out of the turret because he has to repair parts of the ship during the battle while also listening to Han and Lando bicker. Chewy finally goes into the cockpit to roar something in Wookie in both of their faces. Chewy exists the cockpit and Han makes another jab at Lando "He's right". Later Han and Lando finally come to a jokingly reluctant truce as they escape the Death Star explosion. They are both yahooing and celebrating like they've made up, but then Han has to clear his throat, compose, and say something sarcastic like "I still hate you". It's cliche but I think it would have landed in 1983. Leia spends a lot of time sneaking through the death star (Obi Wan style) to save Luke. She arrives in the Emperor's throne room right at the climatic moment when Luke is enraged, winning the fight against Vader. It's when he sees her watching (sees himself through her eyes) that he suddenly stops pummeling Vader and throws away his lightsaber. And then the Emperor can lightning bolt both of Vader's kids and then Vader can fastball special the Emporer to his death. As far as Endor is concerned, a moon based shield generator was not used for the first Death Star so I would remove that entire Endor plot. No need for Ewoks, bunkers, AT-STs or speederbikes, which leaves more time for character development.
     
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    I would personally remove the Ewoks.
    That would leave me with a few options - having a large battle of rebels versus Imperial bunker guards & stormtroopers,
    or turning it into Kashyyyk, with enslaved Wookiees to replace the Ewoks.
     
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    ANH and ESB are near perfect, IMO, at least the original versions. Wouldn't change a thing. But as for ROTJ, it's easier to say what I would keep than what I would change.

    What I would keep:

    -- The heart of Luke's story with Vader. Vader being Luke's father, Luke refusing to give up on him and redeeming Vader at the end. Vader killing the Emperor to save Luke. Vader's funeral pyre.

    -- Leia being the one to rescue Han Solo. Leia killing Jabba. And for the fanboys, Leia in the metal bikini.

    -- The happy ending with all the major OT characters surviving. Han and Leia ending up together.

    -- Admiral Ackbar and his "It's a trap!" line.

    -- Maybe Yoda's death.

    What I would change: pretty much everything else in ROTJ. No ewoks, no death star 2, no to Leia being Luke's sister, Han's rescue would be completely different, Luke becoming a Jedi with no additional training whatsoever, and so forth. Sorry, but ROTJ has not aged well for me.
     
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    I would change a lot but i would add more screen time and better characterisation of the Rebel Alliance.
     
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    The inherent problem is that they're PG rated war films. Lucas designed them to be that genre, and the Ewoks exemplify this. On the 2004 dvd commentary Lucas says that, in fact, the Ewoks don't win the ground battle on Endor's moon -- but they don't lose it either. Their mission is to distract the imperial forces long enough for Han to get back into the bunker and blow up the shield generator. And after that, the rebel forces in space land and take out the remaining ground troops. Unfortunately, being a PG rated war film, the Ewoks have to be presented as victors even though they're just decoys.
     
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    I would have changed the opening crawls to either remove the "Episode #" or to read episodes 1,2, and 3. I would then only make sequels (even if the 90's sequels were as poorly executed as the PT). Backstory movies are pointless.
     
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