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What's the point of this trilogy?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by DailyPlunge, Mar 3, 2018.

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What's the point of this trilogy?

  1. A young woman's path to becoming a Jedi

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  2. The redemption of Ben Solo

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  3. The birth of the new Jedi Order

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  4. We'll cross that bridge when we get there!

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  5. Other

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  1. DailyPlunge

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    Prequel Trilogy: Fall of the Republic, Anakin, and the Jedi
    Original Trilogy: Fall of the Empire, Sith, and the rise of the Jedi
    Sequel Trilogy: ?

    I'll preface this post with by saying I like the new trilogy and I realize that Lucasfilm had to start back up by making a sequel trilogy.

    That said...

    What is the point of this story?

    At the end of The Last Jedi there's technically no Jedi left. Obviously Rey is on the path, but Luke has passed on and he never rebuilt the Jedi Order. Another Skywalker (this time Ben Solo) has followed in his grandfather's foot steps and destroyed the Jedi and New Republic.

    This trilogy starts very confusing. Who is the Resistance? What is their relationship to the New Republic. Who is the First Order. They came from the Empire, but has there been a civil war for 30 years? If you only watch the films none of this is explained. The First Order blows up the New Republic with a weapon stronger than the Death Star. How they paid for this master weapons construction is never explained.

    The Force Awakens first priority was fan service and it succeeded. I love the film and I love The Last Jedi, but I'll be the first to tell you that TFA didn't concern itself with telling a story as much as making a thrill ride. The film didn't answer any question it created and simply passed it off at the end. In fact the way it ends means the next film has to start where it left off.

    Why did Luke abandon his friends? Why didn't he come save them before Han needlessly died? I'm satisfied with how RJ answered the Luke question, but he's in a no win situation with some of the fans. JJ simply punted it to RJ.

    JJ: "Here's a bunch of characters you'll have to juggle, please explain Luke, and you have to start right after my film ends, good luck!"

    I jest, but TFA is kind of frustrating in that regard.

    I'm sure JJ will make another fan service film, but it's going to be a tall task to answer my question. Why does this trilogy matter? What is its purpose? There should have been an answer to that question before this trilogy began.
     
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    this about sums it up for me:

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    the OT heroes' legacy is at stake.
    reconciling Vader's "redemption" is at stake.

    Rey is the hero who will save this family.
    she can't make it whole again, but she can give it peace and purpose, which was Luke's last lesson to her.
     
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    I see three themes/points for the ST:
    1) becoming a family
    2) a nobody becomes somebody (Rey, Finn)
    3) a somebody tries to find his place in the world (Kylo/Ben)
     
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    Should we really have the answer to that question only two films in?

    If the OT is anything to go by, we probably shouldn't. I don't think anybody had the answer to the overall point of the trilogy after seeing Empire.

    The prequel trilogy is different because that's just the nature of prequels... plus it was essentially told to us beforehand.

    The options you have in the poll could be true, multiple could be true. Everything listed above me could be true. But we're not gonna have a definitive answer until we walk out of the theater on December 20th, 2019... and that's okay.
     
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    To be honest with that kind of terrible management that has gone on behind the seasons, we are lucky to have got the quality of films we have done, I know the OP (like many others) loves The Last Jedi, Some people are massive fans of the the Force Awakens, I myself have learned to adore Rogue One. So i guess we have to be grateful that we have got this considering, but i think we are pushing our luck if we are expecting more then that from these films.

    Their is no plan and no point, at this stage it is as pointless as asking who Snoke was or who's Reys parents where based on the events of the Force Awakens, their simply isn't an answer right now apart from 'to make money', Maybe JJ can pull the trilogy together and make it feel like a cohesive story with a point maybe he can't, but at this stage i don't think their is a point.
     
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    Well I suppose since the Star Wars saga follows the Skywalker lineage, it is about Kylo.
    The story begins in the middle of Kylo's real story. We missed the beginning part, where Snoke seduces Ben so on so on. Snoke is not an important part of Kylo's story at this point. In the beginning yes. Right now is what I believe to be Kylo's redemption story.
    We almost need a trillogy between the OT and ST.
     
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    It's about whatever you take from it. It has lots of themes and a linear you could take away.
     
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    There is no point now. It's 3 Star Wars movies that will hardly have anything to do with each other in terms of continuity when compared to the OT, because they allowed individual contributors too much freedom to guide the story. As much as I don't like TLJ, the continuity points and questions raised in TFA are meaningless if you raise them, unsure if the next movie is going to handle them (or if you supply the set ups but NOT the answers to your set ups). The ST, is hardly even a trilogy (IMO). It's just 3 SW movies with a rotating set of writers and directors trying to understand what the trilogy is themselves.
     
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    I don't really want to get into the TFA/TLJ bickering. My questions are more general. According to various sources there is some kind of plan. Even if it's general.

    I'm curious who came up with First Order (Empire Lite) vs. The Resistance (Rebellion lite) after the fall of the New Republic (Republic lite). The Force Awakens offers very little imagination of the galaxy 30 years after the fall of the Empire. Heck, for all of the complaints about Luke being different, isn't it just bizarre Han Solo is the same smuggler we were introduced to in 1977? JJ got away with this because of nostalgia, but it's pretty lame.
     
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    Your opinion has been noted.
     
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    This precisely sums up how I feel about the treatment of the character of Han Solo. My favorite fictional character of all time, wanting only to bring his family back together, and they shove a lightsaber through his chest and drop him into a bottomless pit like a sack of garbage. Needless to say, I was not entertained. If their point was to turn me off of Star Wars completely, they came within a hair's breadth of success.

    As to the overall point of the trilogy, I'm going to say that it may have to do with maintaining the balance of the Force. The prequels and the OT were about bringing balance to the Force, which was achieved through Anakin's redemption and Palpatine's death. Rey and Kylo, I think, might discover that the Force requires both dark and light to remain in balance. They each essentially embody their respective sides, as powerful as they are. Perhaps, the point is that the light side and the dark side should essentially "agree to disagree" in order to maintain balance. Rey will have her new Jedi, Kylo will have his Knights, and they will exist as checks against each other, perpetually in conflict, but neither side ever claiming victory.

    Anyway, that's an idea I had...
     
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    How can we know that without the last film? Every trilogy was telling a different story within the bigger story: prequels were about Anakin's fall, OT about defeat of the evil Empire and Anakin's redemption by Luke. If I have to give a shot in the dark, the sequel trilogy will be about Skywalker legacy in every way - the Force (Luke=>Rey; Anakin/Vader=>Kylo) and fight for the freedom and democracy (Leia=>Poe=>Finn). But, how can we say with any certainty without the trilogy being complete?

    But, what is the point of any movie or work of art? In a more personal sense and in Yoda's words: "Only what you take with you." I do have similar fear that JJ and Terrio will go with the fan service, in spite of what JJ was saying. I do hope that they will manage to connect the trilogies in a meaningful way. I guess we'll see in December 2019. Dear Force, almost two years... :eek:
     
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    We need to watch episode 9. If you only watched Star Wars and The Empire Strikes back you would say the same thing. It's too early to judge a trillogy that isn't even finished.
     
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    all the more reason to save his son, whom he loved more than anything.
    otherwise his death is truly meaningless. : o (
     
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    This is a very good point. The death of Han Solo would carry more weight if Ben Solo actually returns. How that's gonna work is going to be tough. So far Han and Luke have faced Kylo at the end and sacrificed their lives. Perhaps Leia was going to be the one who finally broke through, but with her out I almost think JJ is going to forced (no pun intended) to resurrect Luke somehow.
     
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    Force ghost Luke could do it?

    yeah, i'm almost sure it had been intended to be Leia. : o (
    or at least she'd be the remaining one to welcome him home.

    but hopefully they can find a satisfying way to make it work.
     
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    Well Han could've been on medicaid, then playing bingo down at the local galaxy senior citizens old folks home all through TFA then died while getting a colonoscopy. Would that have been better?
     
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    I'll say this. If it ends up being the catalyst for Ben's redemption, then Han's death might have meaning. If he realizes that Snoke had been manipulating him all along, that none of his choices were his own, we might see the real Ben Solo shine through.
     
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    the movies have given us hints of this:
    Leia saying it was Snoke who seduced him, Luke saying his heart had already been turned even when he was still innocent.
    and there are strong indicators in the EU that support this even more: hints in Aftermath, and apparently lots of grist in the TLJ novelization that support the brainwashing of Ben Solo since he was a child.

    ultimately he has made a lot of choices that he will have to answer for, but i believe there is some evidence of diminished responsibility and/or mitigating circumstances due to manipulation. the relationship between Snoke and Ben is so clearly predatory and even in TLJ, we see Ben struggling to find his footing once Snoke is dead. he's literally making decisions in the moment because he never had a plan for this and the creepy jerk in his head is no longer guiding him.
     
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    I’m hoping the point of the Trilogy has to do with the Balance of the Force with Rey and Kylo Ren. I don’t know how JJ will weave these 2 characters with the Force and give us a theme for this Trilogy that will give us closure for the 9 movies. The Trilogy needs to make previous Trilogies better on a macro level while telling the personal story.
     
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