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What's the point of this trilogy?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by DailyPlunge, Mar 3, 2018.

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What's the point of this trilogy?

  1. A young woman's path to becoming a Jedi

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  2. The redemption of Ben Solo

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  3. The birth of the new Jedi Order

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  4. We'll cross that bridge when we get there!

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  5. Other

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  1. NinjaRen

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    He's more Skywalker than anyone else so far :p
     
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    I honestly never had a definite answer for this question, and it was one of my biggest beefs with the ST so far. I kept asking myself, "Why are these movies called 7,8,9 and what do they have to do with the PT/OT?" But the presence of Palpatine in that Trailer changes EVERYTHING now. I can't tell you if JJ will succeed with this Plot point, but it finally gives this Trilogy an arc that attaches to the previous narrative setup in the PT/OT. Rey, Snoke, The Resistance, The First Order, just felt like an Appendix to the PT/OT, or a, "Here's what could have happened after ROTJ......" But bringing back Palpatine gives a full arc to his master plan, and that is something I have been looking for in these movies since they were announced.
     
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    It worries me as the story of the charcters is pretty vague and the connection with with the rest of the trilogy still up in the air.
     
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    I think it was to re-introduce the world to a new Star Wars.
     
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    It does seem like JJ and Lucasfilm are attempting to answer the question I posed in this thread by having Palpatine as the big bad in the last film. That actually works well because Palpatine is the major villain in Episodes III and VI. Him coming back in IX rhymes.
     
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    I wish the Emperor could have been alluded to in previous films. As great a reaction his laugh got out of me (and many others if youtube is any indication) I can't help but feel his involvement now is somewhat shoehorned. Even if it is (and I'm not entirely sure of that) I hope JJ finds a way to make his involvement feel natural and give the ST a sense of connection to the rest of SW.
     
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    Luke: At the height of their powers, they allowed Darth Sidious to rise, create the Empire, and wipe them out.​
     
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    Palpatine being in Rebels shouldn't be ignored either.
     
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    The point of this trilogy: Baby boomers generally make poor parents.
     
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    I'm in two minds about this. While having Palpatine back could be a nice way to connect the trilogies, I also feel so much of what was achieved by the good guys has been undone by the ST, that physically bringing him back in some form, just adds to the list of failures by the classic characters. I would also say, that just bringing Palpatine back is not enough for me. His return should serve a narrative purpose beyond just providing a big bad for the trilogy in the interest of franchise extension.
     
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    It's probably my biggest problem with the ST in that it essentially feels like we started the story over again, and pretty much everything from 1-6 is irrelevant. I think there could have been a way of making 7,8,9 and having a new conflict without undoing what happened with Luke, Leia and Han in the OT. I still say they shouldn't have drove the drama through the failures of the OT characters (Luke/Han/Leia essentially creating Kylo Ren as a failed mentor and failed parents). I think a different type of conflict should have started after Luke, Leia and Han were in retirement, then it would have respected what they accomplished. They could have had the new generation (Rey, Finn and Poe) going to the old generation (Luke, Leia and Han) for guidance in terms of The Force (Rey/Luke), Politics (Finn/Leia) and Military (Poe/Han). We live in a world where there are endless conflicts but Eisenhower (the Hero General of WW2) became President, and wasn't the reason for the War in Vietnam.
     
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    I disagree with your thought about what Vader started. One I believe Kylo is giving credit to Vader for what the Emperor was doing. What Kylo believes he is doing is bringing order to the universe. Anakin wanted order, listen to his conversations with Padme. He saw that with a strong authoritarian leader in Palpatine. Then he realized Palpatine was Sidious and became his apprentice to bring order to the galaxy and save Padme. I never felt that Vader really wanted to become Supreme Leader/Emperor.
     
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    I agree. This Vanity Fair video goes through the differences between the OT and the ST and the relevance of SW in the world of today. JJ's and RLJ's mission was to offer a story that illustrated this relevance. The successes of the past had to be questioned and scrutinised. The new SW is not about the nostalgia of the past but about finding a new future.

     
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    Yet the new Star Wars thusfar puts a big emphasis on nostalgia by largely recycling the same story of Empire vs rebels, a fallen Jedi student, another new hope, another superweapon, another ground battle with walkers on a white planet, featuring the same aesthetics. If the ST were a song it would be a cover of the OT with a few changes in the lyrics, and an updated arrangement, not a new song imo.
     
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    But that's exactly what it is intended: to offer the same world, same beats, experiencing the same "drama" as in the real world, changes that are generational, not worlds apart... That's is the real mystery box that JJ has planted in this new trilogy, the true parcel to unwrap...
     
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    It's Christmas and it's time for the little boy to open the mystery box. He unwraps it, and surprise! It's the same gift as last year. I bet he didn't see that one coming. After seeing the look of disappointment on the boy's face his father says: "Don't fuss! It's intentional. In the real world history has a tendency to repeat itself, and things often don't work out for the best! Don't believe in this Santa nonsense with those elves, and happily ever afters! Man up, and taste a dose of reality!"
     
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    You got it: “The Santa, fantastical, convoluted and aleatory nonsense will never compare to the thrill of something profound, emotive and truly relatable.”

    :)

    After all what we want is that our children experience the joy of learning and moving on, don’t we?: “We pass on all we know. I thousand generations live in you now” (Luke Skywalker, TROS)
    “We are what they grow beyond” (Yoda TLJ)
     
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    I disagree. That "Santa, fantastical, convoluted and aleatory nonsense" is at the core of Star Wars, and any other fairytale or myth. It is the ultimate abstraction of the human experience. It is what we teach our kids to help them distuinguish the good from the bad. Teaching children about black and white is infinitely more important than teaching them about gray, because once you know black and white, you can create any shade of gray by mixing the two. So, for me the ST has kept all the packaging of the OT to a fault, but discarded its core, and its spirit, and replaced it with a real world perspective, that includes flirtations with cynisism, and nihilism. I believe a better ST would have kept the mythological core, and spirit of Star Wars, and had a different world, plot, beats, and drama.
     
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    Kid opens package on Christmas and it is a video game. It is Call of Duty X and kid is thrilled. Time goes by and Christmas following year comes and kid opens package and it is a video game called Call of Duty X+1 and the kid is thrilled. Kid opens package on Christmas and it is Lukes X-Wing. Kid opens package following Christmas and it is Poe's X-Wing and kid is thrilled both times.
     
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    Then they get the new Avengers Endgame action figures, and both Luke and Poe's X-wing end up on a pile of mostly unused toys. Kids are easily satisfied. That's not a very high standard though. Then when they get a little older, they start to ask questions like:

    Son: "Why is Luke so different in this one? Why does he want to kill his nephew?"

    Father: "Because Luke is scared, son..."

    Son: "But Luke wasn't scared of Darth Vader. Why is Luke scared of his newphew, and why is Luke not fighting the bad guys?"

    Father: "Luke is depressed, and wants to be left alone."

    Son: "But aren't Jedi supposed to be super courageous, and not give up? Isn't that what being a Jedi is about? Isn't that what Luke learned in all those other movies? Aren't Jedi supposed to be smart, and help people?"

    Father: "Not in this version of Star Wars, son."

    Son: "Can we watch the Avengers?"

    Father:"Sure, son..."
     
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