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What's the point of this trilogy?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by DailyPlunge, Mar 3, 2018.

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What's the point of this trilogy?

  1. A young woman's path to becoming a Jedi

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  2. The redemption of Ben Solo

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  3. The birth of the new Jedi Order

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  4. We'll cross that bridge when we get there!

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  5. Other

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  1. YetAnotherSuperweapon

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    *What's the point of every blockbuster?*
     
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    "The sins of the father are visited upon his children" - for one thing.
     
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    I struggle with this question a lot regarding the ST. I thought Lucas got the big picture stuff right with the PT as there is a point to the narrative he’s telling. But his execution is where the PT goes off the rails.

    The ST is the opposite where the execution is fine as I like the characters and the movies are enjoyable. But I’m having a hard time with the big picture stuff and how it fits into the Saga. I fear the ST essentially is about The Resistance fighting the First Order, a Skywalker goes bad and is redeemed, and it’s all a part of Palpatine’s master plan. That is the exact story that was just told in the PT/OT.
     
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    To kill off the old, introduce the new and end them too evidently?
     
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    And people wonder why I want to see Plagueis.
     
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    Think about it as a story of generations. As @Martoto quoted from the Old Testament “the sins of the father are visited upon the children”. Some passages of the Old Testament specify that the sin will exist up to the third and even fourth generations... If you think about it, the dark side has dominoed from Palpatine to Anakin to Luke and to Kylo. The “sin” has spread like a curse for four generations in SW.

    In the Old Testament, however, it is also said that, although the curse of sinners will be there for 3 or 4 generations, mercy will last for “a thousand generations.” Does that sound familiar?

    It’s obvious that the saga is following some sort of overarching biblical inevitability.
     
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    Now that I've seen the end of this trilogy I still don't have a clear answer to this this question. Essentially this trilogy ends where the last one ended. I enjoyed the films, but the first six episodes work and the last three feel kind of useless in the overall saga. I can understand why some people are upset that it invalidates the OT.

    I'm really ready for what comes next, but I'm nervous as well. I'm not sure Lucasfilm knows what Star Wars is (the audience as well).... which is kind of an insane thing to say after 5 films.
     
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    12 Billion dollars.
     
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    Yep. I'm one of those who really feels like:
    a. this trilogy was useless. What's the point? It is like a remake of the OT.
    b. this trilogy invalidated the OT, which is sacred for me.

    I realized when Disney took over they would push out a ton of films to try and make their money back, and I get that. I also realize George gave them outlines for the 3 "saga" films. Which they didn't use (as is their right). But when they were in the process of making that decision I wonder, did any one ask, Ok, so if not George's films, then what? Like what do you replace them with? A redo of the OT????

    I'm in agreement with you dude. I don't think LFL knows what Star Wars is. Which is just crazy. I love The Mandalorian (so far), but it is missing something. I REALLY enjoyed Solo and I LOVE LOVE LOVE Rogue One. But there is something missing. I may be wrong, but for me, the "special sauce" in Star Wars is Jedi/Sith/Lightsabers. While I love the underworld, I love the bounty hunters as well. But, at least for me, the aforementioned things make Star Wars different.

    So yeah, I'm worried about the future. I hope they get it right, cause, for me, they've not done the best job in the world and, in the what, 6 years since the takeover, I'd grade them a C-. Just a tad bit below my average expectations.
     
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    I will add that the last 5 films they made are better than the last 3 Lucas made. Also, Lucas had a story treatment for the first film. He didn't have this saga mapped out. The biggest challenge the have is the audience. I'm sure if you create a poll asking fans what Star Wars is you'll get answers all over the place.
     
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    A Skywalker finally saves a Palpatine from the dark side, and more importantly finally saves the one he loves. Palpatine and Skywalker become one in the same.
     
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    No doubt. I'm not by any means saying they ought to have made George's version shot for shot, word for word. That's not realistic. They did buy the thing so this wasn't a deal where they were simply gonna finance George's films.

    Because this is, at the end of the day, art, I won't say I agree with the idea that all five are better than his last 3 taken as a whole. Not because I want to defend George or don't, nor because I want to bash or defend Disney. I will say this, I think the PT would have been better had he used the same approach he used for Empire and Jedi: bring in film directors to assist as well as writers to help work the script up into shape.

    While I think Disney missed the boat in some respects, not all is bad. I did enjoy TFA for what it was (even if I can't really watch it all that often anymore). I'm not going to touch TLJ as that's been done to death. I thought Solo was fun and I love love love love love (did I say I love?) Rogue One.

    In a way I think that shows the path to the future. Build out the universe, or flesh it out. If I'm in charge at LFL I'd go and work on the Old Republic Era. I'd get away from the time of the "Empire" and the OT.
     
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    I got what JJ had in his head for the trilogy.

    The rule of 2 is some kind of ritual where the sith apprentice kills his master and become all the siths but unfortunately for Palps, he couldn't do that with Vader because his apprentice got back to the light side so he cheated death as he learnt from his master Plagueis who's living in him and has to find a new recipe for the knowledge of the sith. He asked Rey the same thing he asked Luke in ep VI. Accomplish the ritual.

    The second thing he had in mind is the arc of Ben Solo finally succeeding in what Anakin failed : Save the one he loves from dying and leaded him to the dark side and somehow beginning this all.

    But I have no idea what RJ was trying to do.
     
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    After seeing TROS, I can see the theme of the ST relating to the Saga more in the macro of macro sense.

    Episode 6 ends with The Rebels defeating the Empire and Luke redeeming Darth Vader as The Emperor perishes (we think). If you watch the OOT ROTJ 1983 ending, they celebrate on Endor. But who was there to see Luke vs Vader vs The Emperor? Who was there on Endor? Who was there attacking DS2?

    Fast Forward 30 years to TFA and everything is a myth and Finn, Poe, Rey, etc, all look at that time period differently depending on the story their told.

    The ST is about confirming that everyone in the galaxy was there to help and myth’s have become true history now. The kids at the end of TLJ are replaying Luke on Crait, so now he is not just a myth anymore. The ships that came to the rescue of the Resistance at the end of TROS can now pass on that they saw The Final Order and The Emperor destroyed.

    While the OT is all about your friends coming to your aid, the ST is about everyone coming to your aid. Both sides sacrificed themselves in the OT and ST and in the process they each redeemed the supposed villain. The Trilogies are about hope, friendship and redemption but are executed from a different perspective. The OT took a more micro view and the ST a more macro view.
     
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    I've seen TROS twice now, and I agree with a lot of people that the ST has its narrative problems (I won't go into those problems here). But at a higher level, I am wondering what the point of the ST is. The PT was about the fall of Anakin Skywalker. The OT was about the redemption of Anakin Skywalker. I'm not really sure what the ST is about, if anything.

    Ben's redemption seems too weak to be the point of the trilogy. Rey longed for family, then rejected her family once she found out who it was. Taking both together, you could say it is about not letting your family history determine who you are, but Luke already did that in the OT. Also, for the larger story, the galaxy is in the same position at the end of IX as it was at the end of VI, so what is the point of the larger story?

    Does anyone know what the main point of this trilogy is, or is there not one?
     
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    I guess it's about the tragic end of the Skywalker family, as the Force use another vehicle (the granddaughter of Emperor) to save the galaxy and restore the balance.
     
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    pleasing disney shareholders
     
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    The PT, OT and ST are the throughline of the redemption of Palpatine through the Skywalkers, culminating in episode nine. The PT is about loss of love, identity and name; the ST is about finding love, identity and name. The point of the ST is summed up in Rey with the final dialogue "There's been no one for so long" (episode 7) "Who are you?" (episode 8) "Rey Skywalker" (episode 9) - at the end of the PT Anakin lost the name Skywalker, at the end of the PT Rey gained the name Skywalker.

    Rey rejected familial relationship based on blood and accepted familial relationship based on spirit. It's the answer to the question "Who are you?"

    The Palpatine family is not in the same position. The dark side of it has been eliminated and balance restored. Rey is the embodiment of the balance brought by the Skywalkers.

    Redemption of Palpatine.

    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 25, 2019, Original Post Date: Dec 25, 2019 ---
    Not really, it was both Rey and Ben who saved the galaxy and restored the balance. It was a symbiotic relationship between Palpatine and Skywalker, each healing the other in turn.
     
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    It's point is to show how great George Lucas was at planning the whole thing and how clueless yes-men can ruin the most innovative franchise ever.
     
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