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What's the point of this trilogy?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by DailyPlunge, Mar 3, 2018.

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What's the point of this trilogy?

  1. A young woman's path to becoming a Jedi

    17 vote(s)
    11.3%
  2. The redemption of Ben Solo

    22 vote(s)
    14.7%
  3. The birth of the new Jedi Order

    13 vote(s)
    8.7%
  4. We'll cross that bridge when we get there!

    60 vote(s)
    40.0%
  5. Other

    38 vote(s)
    25.3%
  1. Jayson

    Jayson Resident Lucasian

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    Darn.

    That's hardly unusual.

    Ask Lucas. Rey came out of a treatment Arndt wrote under the direction from Lucas.

    Also, she's a Palpsy, so seems like the Soap Opera kept it all in the same little family drama after all.
    And then there's Ben...

    The ST ended up being about a bad Skywalker and a good Palpsy.

    *looks at the millions upon millions of bumper stickers in the world and the level of near hysteria to Mandalorian when Luke showed up...*
    I'd say Red 5 is still good to go.

    It never meant anything beyond one very simple thing: a son reuniting with his Father and burying the hatchet.
    That isn't removed by anything that has happened since.

    Commercially: *looks around at the massive relaunch of Star Wars, to include multiple TV shows, a massive theme park, piles of toys, video games, books, and just a general massive flood of commercial presence that is year over year showing up in Disney's quarterly report as either saving a segment's bacon or performing well*

    No.

    Artistically:
    Perhaps. I can't argue this one because it's art. I've listened to and read folks who found the ST to be more artistic than the originals. Hell, my wife only became interested in Star Wars because of the ST. It made her cry. That's something the previous Star Wars films never did for her.

    Now, do I think they are better art than the originals? Ooph. That's almost impossible to answer. They're vastly different enterprises.
    It's like trying to answer whether I think ESB is better art than ANH. Um...well...they are vastly different artistic expressions, so I don't really know how to go about measuring that in some empirical manner.

    The best I can do is measure the technical capability of the hundreds of artists who work on these pieces of art, and in all cases, regardless which Star Wars you look at, you are looking at highly capable and technically skilled artists and craftsmen performing at the peak of their capabilities.

    I think probably I would have to pick ANH as being the most artistic from the batch only by one measure, and that is that ANH was a culmination, a sort of climax, of progress Lucas had been working on since college - a sort of film language that he was developing and refining over time. You can watch it if you go back to his college films and watch every film he made along the way (including the documentaries he made, such as 6-18-67, or The Emperor).

    When you look at his films in a sequential series in order (and I HIGHLY recommend this as a Star Wars night at some point for any fan!), then once you reach Star Wars it's like a pure explosion of finally nailing the ultimate version of what he was chasing after through all those years (though he might think of it as his penultimate, 'This is not the greatest film in the world, no. This is just a tribute!').

    For that reason, I think I might personally claim that the first film is the more artistic, because a part of artistry is the emotional explosion of the artist in finally expressing their desire where previously they were restrained, repressed, or otherwise incapable.

    Cheers,
    Jayson

    p.s.
    For those fans who want to try it, the viewing order for reviewing the first Star Wars as the joyous artistic explosion it was, here's the watch order:
    Name - Runtime (minutes)
    Look at Life - 001
    1:42.08 - 007
    Freiheit - 003
    Herbie - 003
    The Emperor - 024
    Electronic Labyrinth: THX 1138 4EB - 015
    Anyone Lived in a Pretty How Town - 006
    6-18-67 - 005
    Bald: The Making of THX 1138 - 008
    THX 1138 - 086
    American Graffiti - 112
    Star Wars - 121

    Total: 391 minutes (6.5 hours).
     
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  2. Too Bob Bit

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    Hmmm... "Kirk's Kids". Has a ring to it. I'm thinking there's definitely a series in this. A Star Trek sitcom perhaps? I'd watch.
     
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    Money!

    but the real purpose was Ben Solo redemption
     
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    Yeah I love seeing that play out in ROS. Seeing Ben Solo come out again was awesome especially seeing his history and life in the ST.
     
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    All the power to you if you enjoyed the sequels, but I think there is a lot of spin going on here. If one were be objective these films are a mess.
     
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    There is a point to every trilogy in my opinion. I feel that, in a way, they all do connect. For the ST, i think the point is to pass on this Vader Legacy. It is picked up by Kylo Ren. But, like in the OT, good will beat evil. Kylo Ren is converted to the light side as Ben Solo in ROS.
     
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    I think each Trilogy sort of put the 'Saga' in a new context. In 1983, the OT was about Luke and is his 3 movie arc. In 2005, the PT/OT was now about the rise/fall/redemption of Darth Vader. In 2019, the PT/OT/ST was essentially Palpatines vs Skywalkers, and in the end, a Palpatine saved a Skywalker to defeat The Emperor.
     
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    You put that so nicely! Each trilogy does indeed put our perspective on a different part of star wars. OT’s focused us on Luke and Vader and their relationship with each other and the force. The PT’s showed us the rise and fall of Anakin. And the ST was all about the balance of the force if you ask me. Great post. I agree though. Each trilogy connect so well because they put our eyes on other aspects of SW.
     
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    This is why I am one of the few who liked that Rey eventually became a Palpatine (whether it was planned or not). By bringing Palpatine back, the 3rd Trilogy brings everything full circle. Every Trilogy has either a Palpatine or Skywalker being a villain (or teaming together). The ST is the first time a Palpatine and a Skywalker team up as good guys (Ben and Rey at the end of the movie), and maybe that was the Prophecy that was possibly misread in Episode 1?
     
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    100% i love how everything in the end, connects so finely. Like you said, everyone comes full circle.
     
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    Here's a fan essay I saw on Reddit about TROS:

     
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    Bloodline does not matter. Love the sequel trilogy (despite its shortcomings).
     
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