What's the point of this trilogy?

Because what that name has come to represent is way bigger than just one family - one bloodline. It’s the name of a mythical hero who symbolizes hope. Rey has embraced that name and so has also embraced what comes with it. She’s that legendary hero now. She’s that symbol of hope. And when she’s gone, another will follow her regardless of arbitrary biology.

To paraphrase Luke in TLJ, “To say that if the blood dies, the family dies, is vanity. Can you feel that?”

It’s about the origin of a character named Rey Skywalker, inheritor of the Skywalker legacy. By blood or by spirit, the family (and its legend) lives on and will continue to inspire hope. You can choose to find the negativity in that if you want. But that's very much something you yourself are choosing.

Agreed

 

Wasn't that in TROS?

 

My adopted-brain just cannot process things that are beyond patently absurd. I have the same name as my father but share none of his DNA. When he dies, so does his bloodline.... regardless of how many boys I have procreated. That's just how GENETICS, work. The whole Rey Skywalker name thing was so poorly conceived.... my melon might explode.

That's why Star Wars is filed under science fiction in my home.

I watched one of the 2 remaining Skywalker heirs self-destruct-force-ghost and the other die onscreen. Then; at the very end, Palpatine's grand daughter claimed the Skywalker family name as her own.... that's the story, exactly as I saw it. No more. No less.

I know most on the web, saw it differently.

Assuming someone else's family name just doesn't jive with my upbringing.

Books, director quotes & fan projections.... cannot remove the memory of watching Palpatine's granddaughter being the last known force user in the galaxy. More than one person has unsuccessfully tried to tell me, that isn't what I saw.

I really couldn't believe it, as I left the cinema.... that THIS is how Star Wars ends: with a stinking Palpatine as the winner. And even worse, she gets to LARP as a Skywalker? My wife said Rey wasn't very likeable or, relatable after leaving the new Tatooine in the first movie.... so she doesn't get the Sequel(s) hype. I'm with her.

The Star Wars SAGA is still Suuuuuper-A-OK with me though: because I finally got to see an uber-Jedi, new force powers, new saber colors /types and cloned Sith Lords. (Haha of course the the Jedi couldn't do it) Plus: the added bonus of Snoke actually being a worthless meat puppet REALLY made my day; so I have no regrets with the time I spent with the ST. I'm glad it's over, for now.

FUN FACT: - I also believe that Palpatine the Undying will return and that next time, he'll be WAY younger, LESS blistered by the dark side. Told that to my nephew not too long ago and the kid went bananas.... before listening to the wisdom and reason being governed my experience. So, before anyone ELSE tries to tell me otherwise; "bc muh director said", please save it and check back with me in another 30 years. Star Wars will end up providing me with over 60 to 70 years worth of debate fun!!

Oh George, Han always shot first.

 

Not me.

 

This is rather absurd. Literature is littered with stories of people becoming like a child or a sibling they never had to someone and going on to honour a family they weren’t born into. Or at least trying to.

The Rise Of Skywalker is arguably “all about” the blood ties between Rey and Sidious. And in the end she defies that tie and champions the Skywalkers. The strength of Skywalker blood is never in question or diminished. Instead it endures despite its last son falling to the dark side before redeeming himself. They even have him finishing what his grand father started.

I don’t recall there being such objections to Palpatine remarking that Anakin was like a son to him. Or McDiarmid describing both the prequel and original trilogies being about father’s and sons.

 

I’m just failing to see what genetics has to do with it though. Being a virtuous champion for people to look up to isn’t a genetically inherited attribute. It’s a personal choice. It’s about content of character and not chromosomes.

I’ll agree that the concept was poorly executed. The moment itself is pretty dreadful and not well earned, in my opinion. But the concept itself I think is pretty solid and admirable. Who we are, what we are, that’s not decided for us. We aren’t predestined to be anything beyond what we choose to be. I personally wish it had been handled better, but the essence of the thing is beautiful and totally Star Wars.

Yes, that’s functionally what happens. What’s more important though is the theme. A young woman, born to a dark inheritance she never knew about or wanted, has to decide whether she’ll allow that unfortunate reality to define who she is. She rejects what that native lineage represents and instead embraces one that reflects who she genuinely is as a person. I just don’t see how that isn’t quintessentially Star Wars.

 

What was that? I honestly didn't see him finish anything.

 

Based.

Nothing absurd about unrelated people being unable to carry the Skywalker bloodline, forward.

Nothing to object to. Father figures often say that, I know have done so many times. Doesn't mean the knucklehead I'm momentarily proud of, gets to run around with my father's last name for the rest of his or her life.

God Bless Ian Mc-D.

Pre Disney EU-Anakin also mused about Kenobi being the father he never had.

Didn't change his name and Shmi's son LOVED Obi Wan.

Everything.

The name can be carried forward, remembered and revered even.

When childless Luke bailed on the living, he ensured that there would never BE another blood related Skywalker, only those who LARP/pretend/claim to be one.

Most important to me was the outcome! The last force user that I saw standing was a Palpatine!!

100% THIS.

I'm not so dense that I refuse to see what they attempted to pull off. I got it then. And I still don't like it now.

Apparently, I'm just not as forgiving as you are for their failure to launch the essence correctly.

 

But if those ‘pretenders’ are staying true to and continuing to fulfill what Luke believed in and stood for, isn’t that what’s most important? No?

Fascinating. Well, for your sake then, I hope Finn ends up being a Windu or something - a Force user from a more acceptable genetic stock.

 

Through TLJ era and the run up TRoS and the whinging and how we were told we were getting a Return of The King story. How Black Diamond and TrIXie was all about the one true male Skywalker who was going to come galloping back and take the lime light and the whole trilogy was about him. Guess what? He ended up dead with barley any screen time.

Folks got hung up with head cannon only believing fake leaks that fit with there personal head cannon and then moaned. Not Disney's problem, not TRoS lovers problem, not anyone else problem apart from the ones who only wanted to listen to themselves. It was great to see a rise of a female Jedi. Rey Skywalker was bloody fantastic, she's a great character a fantastic leading protagonist and I enjoyed watching every single minuet of her.

 

Literally nobody. Not in the film, and not any fan or commentator on the film, has claimed that Rey adopting the name Skywalker means that she's carrying on the Skywalker bloodline. So you're objecting to a thing that doesn't exist and isn't proposed at any time.

If your arguments were consistent you'd be angry at Palpatine and Anakin claiming to be blood related or carry .

Literally nobody. Not in the film, and not any fan or commentator on the film, has claimed that Rey adopting the name Skywalker means that she's carrying on the Skywalker bloodline. So you're objecting to a thing that doesn't exist and isn't proposed at any time.

But that's not how it works. You have no say in what people name themselves (unless they are your own child). Especially if you are dead.

It's clear this is just a popularity issue and Rey hasn't earned your permission to aspire to adopting the name Skywalker as a tribute to the parents she never had and to the last son of Skywalker, all of whom gave their lives for her.

Instead of blatantly holding characters to double standards with specious arguments to proscribe or permit certain storylines, it's fine to just say that you dislike a character and don't accept them having a certain storyline.

 

Isn't this a forum to discuss SW not each other?

 

I'm not discussing anyone. I'm pointing out that the obvious strawman and easily refuted specious reasoning in someone's post reveal the true nature and double standards in what they are arguing. I'm also giving a reassurance that there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that you simply reject a character arbitrarily, rather than invoking such obviously spurious objections.

 

Ah..Black Diamond and Trixie. Where do movie makers get these weird names from?

 

"I will even learn how to stop people from dying. "

 

Ahhh ....unfortunately he couldn't save himself.
p03...forgive me, I'm not being insulting, but are you being serious or ironic...because I actually have a problem detecting sarcasm; didn't know if I was missing your point.

 

Why is this story part of the Skywalker family saga? Why not simply regard the Sequel Trilogy as something apart from that?

 

Why not? It's not just about that anyway. Running in parallel is Kylo's journey of reclaiming the family legacy he had spurned and making good on his grandfather's promise. Thus saving Rey who gave her life to defy her grandfather's schemes. Ben bequeaths the entire galaxy his family's name and honour by making that sacrifice. Rey only survived the deadly confrontation with her Grandfather because another Skywalker discovered powers greater than any Jedi (presumably) before. One of those powers being the will to make self-sacrifice for the greater good.

It's for those reasons that Rey champions the name Skywalker when she is left to continue as the spark of the new Jedi way. You know in the old days, to soften the blow of losing a popular or strong ruler who's only suitable replacement wasn't named after them, they would adopt the reginal name of the predecessor anyway. To maintain continuity. It's like Skywalker is dead. Long live Skywalker.

 

Which is what I thought they should have done...but at the end of the day, the ST was just Disney killing off all the Skywalkers so they could move on with their own stuff. I honestly think giving Rey the Skywalker name was a last minute 'sop' to Skywalker fans; 'look, they're all dead, but the 'brand' lives on.

 

But isn’t that all the ‘Skywalker Saga’ term ever was? A branding exercise to distinguish Disney’s intellectual property?

Personally, I don’t recall ever hearing that term before 2015. Before that, it was simply called ‘The Star Wars Saga’. But they wanted to start doing anthology films too and needed a simple way to tell the audience how to differentiate them. It was nothing but a corporate marketing ploy to lump all the episodic films together with an easily referenced label.