1. Due to the increased amount of spam bots on the forum, we are strengthening our defenses. You may experience a CAPTCHA challenge from time to time.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice

What's the worst Star Wars movie?

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by darth sputnik, Jan 21, 2018.

  1. KalKenobi83

    KalKenobi83 Rebelscum

    Joined:
    May 16, 2016
    Posts:
    155
    Likes Received:
    266
    Trophy Points:
    1,557
    Credits:
    936
    Ratings:
    +372 / 7 / -9

    The Holiday special hands down
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  2. Too Gon Onbourbon

    Too Gon Onbourbon Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2018
    Posts:
    371
    Likes Received:
    637
    Trophy Points:
    6,122
    Credits:
    1,180
    Ratings:
    +845 / 7 / -9
    Any cringey factor was fully intentional.

    I'll raise your no problem with it and go with a thoaty liking it. Maybe even loving it.

    Keep Star Wars weird!
    --- Double Post Merged, May 1, 2018, Original Post Date: May 1, 2018 ---
    When did Luke put on airs or do anything to give you the impression he was above getting his own milk?

    The Luke Skywalker in a lot of people's minds is utterly alien to anything resembling the character that I've been a fan of for more than forty years now.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 1, 2018 ---
    I'll gladly take a whole movie of Canto Bight over any of the prequels and I'm pretty much a prequel moderate. They all have better sections than Canto sure but they all have stuff I hate.

    Canto is okay, I find it fun.
    It's greatest sin is just being way less interesting than Luke and Rey or Rey and Kylo. The second is creating some tonal discord by doing an Amazing Stories episode set in a galaxy far, far away.

    I think it is a great idea for a live action TV show down the line a bit to do a little mix of Twilight Zone and swashbuckling adventure, varying the mix depending on the story and the week.

    I liked the vibe but it wasn't the best mesh for the rest of the movie. I know I'm probably an outlier but it worked for me, just not as well as the rest of the movie.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  3. Capt_Mange

    Capt_Mange Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2018
    Posts:
    24
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    732
    Credits:
    451
    Ratings:
    +51 / 9 / -0
    Well, everyone different, but what did the Canto Blight scene add to the movie? Absolutely nothing and it didn't lead to anything. An absolutely pointless scene that distracted from the main plots (not that they were any good). All it did was adding to the stupidity of the movie (the point of selling arms to both sides? With the disparity between the forces, and Johnson's lack of understanding of scale, it was absolutely ridiculous). The only thing I liked about the Canto Blight scene was Williams's casino music. It was as playful as the Cantina music in the original Star Wars movie.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  4. Stormtrooper666

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2018
    Posts:
    3
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    2
    Credits:
    345
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0
    Attack of the clones but i still watch it
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Jayson

    Jayson Resident Lucasian

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2015
    Posts:
    2,160
    Likes Received:
    6,601
    Trophy Points:
    16,467
    Credits:
    8,696
    Ratings:
    +9,540 / 39 / -14
    For taste, the entire prequel trilogy falls to the bottom equally for me. I really don't care about about the prequels.
    Everything that I need out of them was already delivered in passing dialogue in ANH and ESB.
    In fact, there are some awkward moments caused by the prequels in ANH; nothing huge, but it did cause minor clumsy moments.

    On a critical level, however, AOTC easily wins the worst SW film in terms of technical quality.
    AOTC attempts to be ESB in reverse order, and the reality is Lucas is nowhere near Kasdan and Irvin in handling intimacy of any kind gracefully.
    AOTC is to ESB as Trump is to Bill Clinton (I don't care about politics or parties, so don't get pissy, I'm comparing grace in personality, and Clinton is famous for being a smooth talker, while Trump...not so much).

    If that analogy is hard to take, AOTC is to ESB as high school drama is to Broadway.

    It's flat, clumsy, derivative in its dialogue, and horribly tautological with easily some of the worst dialogue in the saga to date.
    All of the power that ESB accomplished with few lines sprinkled about, AOTC couldn't accomplish with huge quantities of lines.
    The focus was horribly scattered in this regard as well. A love scene is set up by all queues known to film, and even starts off with love scene dialogue, but within eight lines of dialogue entirely derails into a junior high level discussion on the sociopolitical structure's functionality within society, which only served as positioning to allow us to accept Anakin accepting Palpatine as the "I don't know. Someone." he speaks of to make everyone agree...but it really didn't need 26 lines of dialogue to get that, and a love scene setting with Padme really doesn't make any sense for that area to be where we have that intrusion.

    I'm not going to get into what "should" have been done. What's done is what's done. There is no fixing what it is.
    It's a sloppy ESB without nearly the weight of intimacy.
    Lucas relies on telling feelings far more than showing them, and that really hurts a set up like AOTC.
    "Love" in AOTC: 10 times
    "Love" in ESB: 2 times.

    "I love ___" in AOTC: 7 times
    "I love ___" in ESB: 1 time

    AOTC waters down the value of the line "I love ____" by throwing it around too much. I love Naboo. I love water. I love the Republic.
    We're a step away from "I love lamp".

    It just doesn't work. Lucas is a brilliant designer, and story treatment writer, but his dialogue and screenplay writing is famously wooden and atrocious, and he'll even admit this himself.
    I get that he was really trying to push himself, and also make sure to get what he wanted (as the OT upset him in that regard with Irvin), but Lucas is always at his best when he takes the back seat and supplies the broad brush strokes.
    I mean, thank god Lucas didn't write the screenplays for Indiana Jones, and equally, thank god that he outlined the broad strokes to Spielberg and had others (like Kasdan) do the writing.

    Cheers,
    Jayson
     
    • Great Post Great Post x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  6. VOODOO

    VOODOO Rebel General

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Posts:
    247
    Likes Received:
    293
    Trophy Points:
    3,767
    Credits:
    1,398
    Ratings:
    +532 / 193 / -131
    The Last Jedi is the worst in the series. A total, complete and utter letdown. The film tried to fix something that wasn’t broken and destroyed the character of Luke Skywalker in what amounted to cultural vandalism.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Disagree Disagree x 2
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  7. Background Character

    Background Character Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2015
    Posts:
    436
    Likes Received:
    1,080
    Trophy Points:
    6,042
    Credits:
    2,310
    Ratings:
    +1,940 / 90 / -66
    SIGH. It didn't destroy the character of Luke Skywalker. It rejected the wrongful notion of Luke Skywaker as a flawless superhero with superpowers. It presented him a relatable human susceptible to feelings of failure and doubt. It presents the radical notion that people change over time, especially in the light of terrible tragedy. They don't always stay the same as they were decades before, and they still can struggle with temptation even if they had managed to overcome it before. And In the end, Luke does the most heroic thing ever - he sacrifices his life for his friends. You people need to get over this deification of Luke nonsense. He was never supposed to be Jesus. He was a normal guy who achieved great things by realizing his full potential in the force. But he also failed quite a bit, too. And this makes him appealing and relatable as a character, as opposed to a flawless Mr. Perfect. The character has a completely satisfactory and appropriate ending. The only thing about him that was destroyed was the complete misconception of his character by some fans who wanted him to be Superman.
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Great Post Great Post x 2
    • Disagree Disagree x 2
  8. Finn is a Jedi

    Finn is a Jedi Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2016
    Posts:
    718
    Likes Received:
    1,279
    Trophy Points:
    5,942
    Credits:
    1,967
    Ratings:
    +1,892 / 46 / -16
    The Last Jedi, without a doubt. It used to be Attack of the Clones but I could at least be able to watch it. I have absolutely no desire to ever watch The Last Jedi again and I'm pretty sure the only reason I ever will again is in preparation for ep.IX or any watching I do of the entire saga. I'm not gonna go into the specifics because honestly I'm sick of writing out every reason I hated the movie.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  9. Background Character

    Background Character Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2015
    Posts:
    436
    Likes Received:
    1,080
    Trophy Points:
    6,042
    Credits:
    2,310
    Ratings:
    +1,940 / 90 / -66
    Canto Bight serves the same purpose as the asteroid belt chase and space slug stomach does for Empire. What did those locations and scenes add to the plot of that movie? Absolutely nothing. They are there for other reasons - character development and relationship building. This explains it further:

     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Funny Funny x 1
  10. Legend Knight

    Legend Knight Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Posts:
    1,221
    Likes Received:
    3,974
    Trophy Points:
    13,829
    Credits:
    6,656
    Ratings:
    +5,243 / 78 / -28
    I guess Last Jedi, Not a terrible film but I have seen it once in theaters and once at home. I don't see myself revising it anytime soon.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. High General Kenobi

    High General Kenobi Rebel Commander

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Posts:
    65
    Likes Received:
    164
    Trophy Points:
    2,867
    Credits:
    528
    Ratings:
    +245 / 0 / -0
    To objectively say that TLJ is worst filmmaking than any of the prequels, particularly I and II, simply doesn't hold water.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and you might personally enjoy it less. But from a completely clinical point of view, no other film in the series reached the lows of the PT (which I love anyway, but because of personal attachment, not objective quality, see?)

    You speak objective sense. Bravo.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
  12. Rodriq

    Rodriq Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2015
    Posts:
    38
    Likes Received:
    63
    Trophy Points:
    752
    Credits:
    599
    Ratings:
    +110 / 0 / -0
    I totally agree with you. You can dislike the film, the way it was written, and the direction they chose for it, but you can never deny how artfully and well crafted it is in technical levels. Special effects, use of color, cinematography, some very powerful performances, production design, costume design, musical score, among many other things.
    A lot of people think it's ok to say art is bad. And I don't think anyone really has the authority to say an art piece is bad. You can say you don't agree with it, you can say you don't understand it, or you personally don't like it. But don't come saying the movie isn't well done from a filmmaking point of view because it didn't go the way you wanted to.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  13. High General Kenobi

    High General Kenobi Rebel Commander

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Posts:
    65
    Likes Received:
    164
    Trophy Points:
    2,867
    Credits:
    528
    Ratings:
    +245 / 0 / -0
    I agree wholeheartedly. And yes, nobody has the authority. This point always reminds me of one of the most artfully crafted films of last decade (actually over a decade now! :eek:), which ends with this beautiful piece about art and the validity of negative criticism:

    In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face is that, in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talent, new creations. The new needs friends. Last night, I experienced something new, an extraordinary meal from a singularly unexpected source. To say that both the meal and its maker have challenged my preconceptions about fine cooking is a gross understatement. They have rocked me to my core. In the past, I have made no secret of my disdain for Chef Gusteau's famous motto: "Anyone can cook." But I realize, only now do I truly understand what he meant. Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere. It is difficult to imagine more humble origins than those of the genius now cooking at Gusteau's, who is, in this critic's opinion, nothing less than the finest chef in France. I will be returning to Gusteau's soon, hungry for more.

    Yeah, I got a bit sidetracked, and yes, the argument became a bit different than my original one, but I still think it's relevant.
     
    • Great Post Great Post x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  14. Pawek_13

    Pawek_13 Jedi General

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2016
    Posts:
    3,384
    Likes Received:
    15,618
    Trophy Points:
    144,707
    Credits:
    15,355
    Ratings:
    +20,518 / 72 / -32
    And this is, ladies and gentlemen, a perfect example of how to use a quote from a film. Also - bonus points for lifting it from Ratatouille.

    [​IMG]
     
  15. Darth Basin The Greatest

    Darth Basin The Greatest Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2016
    Posts:
    2,001
    Likes Received:
    2,603
    Trophy Points:
    8,842
    Credits:
    4,014
    Ratings:
    +4,431 / 293 / -150
    I mean really. What does it take to say that what they did to Luke was disrespectful? How about Luke haves to walk through manure on that island?
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  16. High General Kenobi

    High General Kenobi Rebel Commander

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Posts:
    65
    Likes Received:
    164
    Trophy Points:
    2,867
    Credits:
    528
    Ratings:
    +245 / 0 / -0
    What if he did? Some of the greatest heroes have found themselves walking through manure.

    And I'm being quite serious about that.
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Wise Wise x 1
  17. ShinigamiDarren

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    Posts:
    4
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    2
    Credits:
    438
    Ratings:
    +10 / 0 / -0
    The Phantom Menace because of....................... Jar Jar Binks.:mad:
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  18. Sparafucile

    Sparafucile Guest

    Credits:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0
    I think you need to reread the title of this thread. The OP is asking us what is the worst SW movie, according to us. How a movie makes us feel is a legitimate way to rank movies imo.

    If you want to start a thread that ranks CGI, acting, story ect... then you might get an answer that you prefer. But for us "haters", we'd rather walk out of a movie theater bored or laughing at the clumsy romance than angry and let down.

    Someone can make a masterpiece in flim, with great cinematography, music ect... but if the whole movie is pushing the idea that Nazism is good and referring to Hitler like he had all the best answers and we should follow his lead, I won't rank it very high. I'm not saying TLJ did this, I'm just saying all that wrapping paper doesn't do much if we don't like or agree with the story or if it is just too unbelievable for us to accept.
     
  19. nightangel

    nightangel Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2015
    Posts:
    1,561
    Likes Received:
    2,029
    Trophy Points:
    7,592
    Credits:
    4,057
    Ratings:
    +3,509 / 217 / -41
    The worst Star Wars movie is without a doubt for me The Last Jedi with alien milking and kid murdering Luke. :eek:
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Clouded Clouded x 1
  20. Capt_Mange

    Capt_Mange Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2018
    Posts:
    24
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    732
    Credits:
    451
    Ratings:
    +51 / 9 / -0
    The two scenes are only comparable as far as the character development is concerned. The asteroid chase actually builds and leads to something and it's naturally built into the story. The Canto Blight sequence doesn't lead to anything, it's poorly executed (Jack, sorry Finn, and Rose are acting like morons in said scene) and the attempt of character building is weak.

    Rather than to drive the story forward and to make it meaningful, like the asteroid sequence allowed Luke time for Jedi training and drove the story forward by serving as a way to get from point A to point B, the Canto Blight sequence bogs the movie down and doesn't have an impact on the story. On top of that, it has the worst alien designs and the worst puppets and costumes of the Star Wars saga. But again, each one to his/hers own.
     
    #100 Capt_Mange, May 13, 2018
    Last edited: May 13, 2018
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
Loading...

Share This Page