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What's with the Boba Fett obsession?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by KyloRenFan, May 11, 2015.

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    ... or, at least, you did until they told it. :)
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    Boba Fett's obsession that's a long list, I would put getting dumped in the sarlaac's belly by Han at the top.
     
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    Honestly, to me, introducing Boba as an unaltered clone in AOTC, and as a youth, didn't really bother me (nor the further stories of him in TCW show, though I admit, I still haven't seen those episodes yet (I'm just going off by what I've read about him in the Ultimate Star Wars book)). First off, in AOTC, he didn't have many lines [I think it's silly that people complained that he sounded whiny when he didn't really have any lines to begin with (and for the words that he did spoke, I didn't really think much of it)] and he didn't really do much, so there's still plenty of time to shape out his character. His "father" getting killed is something that I see that as a motivating factor for his character from there on out as well. And other AOTC explaining his origin, there is still a lot of mystery to his character (in other words, I don't think that introducing Boba Fett like they did in AOTC did much in de-mystifying him). There is plenty of time of character building that is untold between then and the OT, hence plenty of time for him to build up his reputation as a notorious bounty hunter and have it be known that he's a badass in rugged armor (and all that of which people like about him in the OT).
     
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    Well, yeah, it's not so much that it bothers me. Sometimes it's not the specifics of a certain aspect of the story, but the fundamental fact that it was even told at all.
    I guess, as people have said, part of Boba's appeal is down to him being a man of mystery, and sometimes the fact that you want to know more about a character is not necessarily a reason that you should. Because then that aspect of the appeal starts to evapourate.
    Just my opinion, of course, but I felt Boba was better when he was just a bounty hunter - the kind of person who wouldn't necessarily be involved in the dealings of the Empire. "Bounty hunters, we don't need that scum..." He just came across as simple as he appeared - A guy who accepts money for doing other people's dirty work, I didn't ever feel he needed any reasoning behind that... some kind of history with the Empire, some kind of grudge with Han, or previous interaction with any of our protagonists.
    But that's just me. :)
     
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    Yea but what about the original Boba Fett? Wasn't his name used after the original Boba died? Me, I prefer Jodo Kast! :)(boba fett)
     
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    I think Boba Fett is cool but I've never thought he was awesome or particularly special. I will admit that his armor is cool, especially the way its worn and dented with that been there done there look to it. I've never thought his ship Slave 1 was cool, to me it looks like an iron with fins. I know he holds a special place for some because he is such a man of mystery...meh. I want the details, I want to know why he is so feared and such a badass. I am definitely interested in watching the second anthology movie which supposedly will be about him. I will say this though, he was probably one of my favorite action figures when I was a kid in the 80's and went through a few of them because he took a good beating while recreating the Tatooine skiff battles and the Sarlac Pit. :D(boba fett)
     
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    Boba Fett deserves to live.
     
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    I respect everyones opinion but I have to say that how anyone thinks that Boba Fett is a badass is beyond me. First of all he never really did anything. People can say that he was the one to capture Solo but I don't know about you but I seemed to see Vader and a whole mess of Stormtroopers on Bespin as well and never saw Fett do anything by himself. Next, EU has been thrown to the garbage so nobody can quote that he's awesome for doing this or that. All that Fett really did was hide in the garbage where he belonged and tracked the Falcon but apart from that he did nothing more. Finally, everything that is canon let's us know that Boba Fett was a moron and in fact sucked. He completly underestimated the heros on the Sarlacc battle, went screaming to his death like a sissy not forgetting that he was sent there by a blind man with a stick in the first place, and worst of all, he became the wife of Otua Blank in CW!!! Can somebody be lamer than that? Even Greedo wasn't that lame as he met his death as a man (a dumb cocky man but a man or Rodian male none the less) instead of being made the bride of a sleazy creepy looking bird guy!
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    As I said before, first and foremost, Fett was just cool-looking. He was a toy everyone wanted to/own play with *from my experience*.
    He was cool in 1980 - and that's the important thing here.
    Sometimes something gains an underground following, and eventually what is underground becomes mainstream. And it's a shame, because that thing gets marketed the hell out of it and gets overexposed and it loses part of that magical quality that warranted the cult following in the first place.

    In 1980 he was the silent, cool-looking guy who Vader enlisted to get the job done when even his own guys couldn't get the job done. The inference from the movie is: Fett is the only one smart enough to suss out what happened to the Falcon when it disappeared without a trace; be smart enough to track the ship when the Imperials were happy enough to just blast off into hyperspace after dumping their garbage; work out where the Falcon may be heading with only sub-lightspeed as an option; perhaps have that bit of inside info on Solo and his history with Lando to make that leap of logic - then alert the Imperials, get to Bespin ahead of Solo and rendezvous with Vader and co to get the drop on Han and co. This guy sits at Vader's table.
    All of that is implicit in TESB, so for a while, yeah, I'd say Fett did a lot that made some people think he was cool... without really doing much at all.

    A lot of people seemed to resent how Fett died in ROTJ (can't say I personally ever really gave much thought to how it reflected on his character as a whole at the time - it was just kind of a throwaway moment for me, and I didn't see him has having any more value to add to the story anyway) so maybe that was the beginning of the end for his integrity right there. Way too many silly EU appearances later and that cool, mysterious guy we saw in 1980 has been kind of wiped away completely...
    No great loss. He's just a periphery character. The fact that anyone ever attempted to elevate him to something more than that is why this thread exists, I guess :)
     
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    You make valid points my friend. To tell you the truth, I never really gave Fett much atention. There were six bounty hunters summond by Vader and of course one of them had to be chosen to follow the falcon and Lucas stuck with Boba Fett. Let me tell you why I think this happened. For me it really wasn't that Lucas thought Fett was awesome (he has said so himself) but the fact that Fett was the most logical choice. You see, back in the day, there weren't such advanced effects as they are today. It would have been hell to animate IG88 and have him run around the place and seeing how C3PO moves, it would have been plain silly to see 4LOM running around as well. Zuckuss's suit looks very heavy and cumbersom and Bossk's suit makes him very stiff and he would have been very Frankenstein like and would have looked silly. That leaves us with Dengar and Fett and I'm sure that any sane person would have prefered the armored dude with the rocket pack to the fat bandage faced guy. With the tech and effects of today I'm pretty sure any of those hunters could have been used since all had an air of mistery to them and not just Fett but back in the day Boba Fett was just clearly the easiest option to use and he did look WAY better than Dengar who would have been the other logical choise.
     
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    But the thing is, Boba Fett's roots can be traced back to the very early stages of Lucas' development of the first Star Wars movie - the other bounty hunters seen in The Empire Strikes Back were, indeed, always intended as fairly throwaway characters.

    The first important point to remember is that the character we now know as Vader went through various incarnations as the main antagonist of the first movie and, in turn, the name "Vader" itself was passed around various different characters serving different functions in the story.
    Some of those early representations of the antagonist had him as a bounty hunter, an idea that was revisited for the second movie as Boba Fett:

    "When I was writing the early script for Star Wars, I wanted to develop an essentially evil character that was frightening. Darth Vader started as a kind of intergalactic bounty hunter in a space suit and evolved into a more grotesque knight as I got more into knights and the codes of everything. He became more of a Dark Lord than a mercenary bounty hunter. The Boba Fett character is really an early version of Darth Vader. He is also very much like the man-with-no-name from the Sergio Leone Westerns." - George Lucas, The Making of The Empire Strikes Back.

    The earliest version of the mercenary was Prince Valorum, a Black Knight of the Sith, who had appeared in Lucas's rough draft for Star Wars from May 1974, where he was employed by Vader (here merely a military general) to track down the heroes:
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    66. LIBRARY – PALACE OF LITE – AQUILAE
    The king’s old library has been converted into an office for General Vader. He is sitting behind his desk as Prince Valorum, the black knight of Sith, enters and salutes. The black knight is dressed in the fascist black and chrome uniform of the legendary Sith One Hundred. The general returns his salute.


    The revised First Draft from July 1974 featured pretty much the same dynamic - here Valorum was now called Dodona and is instead described as a "legionnaire is dressed in the fascist black and chrome uniform of the legendary Lettow One Hundred".

    By the Second Draft (January 1975) the Valorum/Dodona character was merged with Vader into one character, who is now described as Lord Darth Vader, Knight of the Sith rather than a bounty hunter.

    It is interesting to note that one aspect of this early bounty hunter concept remained right through to the finished movie, where it is still explained that Vader "helped the Emperor hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights".



    Fast-forward to the development of The Empire Strikes Back - Lucas originally conceived an elite group of super-stormtroopers (or shocktroopers, as they have also been called) to feature in the upcoming movie. Ralph McQuarrie sketched designs of these as early as October 1977. By February 1978, some of Joe Johnston's developments of this same idea featured the first incarnation of the iconic armour destined to be worn by Boba Fett.
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    By March 1978, McQuarrie, Johnston, and Lucas had transformed the supertrooper into a more or less completely designed galactic mercenary. Some of the sketches from this time were the first to feature the name "Boba Fett" and the character was included in the Second Draft of he movie, completed by Lucas in April of that year.

    "Ralph and I worked on preliminary designs. And we traded ideas back and forth. Originally, Boba Fett was part of a force we called supertroopers; they were these really high-tech fighting units and they all looked alike. That eventually evolved into a single bounty hunter." - Joe Johnston, The Making of The Empire Strikes Back

    There were clearly other factors contributing to the focus on the development of this character, aside from revisiting the desire to feature a mercenary character Lucas had first had while developing the first movie.
    Lucas had also decided to feature Fett in the upcoming Star Wars Holiday Special (the character was eventually realised in an animated segment). The Boba Fett development was also seemingly prioritised to satisfy marketing commitments - Kenner had been promised a new figure to tie in with the new film to maintain interest in the line despite the release of Empire being two years away.

    So the Boba Fett timeline kicks into gear from that point onwards:
    On June 28 1978, the 20-minute screentest of Duwayne Dunham wearing the prototype Fett armour was filmed. The costume was pretty much identical to the final version, but was still all white, as a remnant of his "supertrooper" origins. Joe Johnston painted the armour shortly after this test - the range of colours intended to reflect Fett's "grey" moral standpoint and, visually, pitch him right in between Vader's black armour and the contrasting white of his Stormtroopers.
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    "The first time I ever saw the costume, it wasn't Boba Fett. It was completely white. He was going to be a super-stormtrooper. Duwayne Dunham modelled it so we could all have a look, but the suit didn't quite fit." - Robert Watts, The Making of The Empire Strikes Back.

    On September 24 1978, the Boba Fett costume made his first public appearance at the San Anselmo Country Fair Day and Parade.
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    The Star Wars Holiday Special aired on November 17 1978, featuring the aforementioned animated sequence - probably most people's introduction to the Fett character.
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    The Boba Fett mail-away promotion started appearing on Kenner figures around this time, the original deadline to claim the new figure from the as yet unreleased movie being May 31 1979.
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    Summer 1979's Star Wars fan club newsletter Bantha Tracks ran a small piece introducing Boba Fett, still referencing the Shocktrooper links the character had as a hangover from his earlier development.
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    So - in a nutshell - Boba's "mercenary" character can be traced right back to some of Lucas's earliest ideas for the saga, and he was eventually developed and marketed fairly heavily in the run up to Empire's release, so many fans were aware of him before they even saw the movie itself. Lucas obviously believed in the character enough to entrust the task of offering most people an entry point into the new movie to him.

    As for the other bounty hunters, by contrast, it is not clear if they are featured in Lucas's Second or Third Drafts (if anyone knows for sure, I'd love to know). We do know McQuarrie was still being tasked with creating misfit characters labelled as "Boba's Gang" as late as December 1978.
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    In the only available script aside from the shooting script, usually described as the Fourth Draft (dated October 1978), some of the bounty hunters accompanying Fett are described differently to their final filmed versions, while 4-LOM is not present at all:

    "The group standing before Vader is a bizarre array of galactic fortune hunters: there is Bossk, a slimy, tentacled monster with two huge, bloodshot eyes in a soft baggy face; Zuckuss and Dengar, two battle-scarred, mangy human types; IG-88, a battered, tarnished chrome war droid; and Boba Fett, a man in a weapon-covered armored space suit."

    Regardless, it seems the costumes for these additional bounty hunters were pretty much all cobbled together by the production crew to some degree - Bossk was a resculpt of one of the "Crocker" masks from the Cantina scene in the first movie, along with a stock flight suit loaned from the BBC (and already seen being worn by one of the space pilots in the background of the Cantina scene); IG-88 was another mercenary with Cantina links, his head being made from the same jet engine part as the bar's dispensers; Dengar was basically a load of repainted Imperial armour over a stock hood and flight suit; 4-LOM a new head sculpt accompanied by repainted C-3PO parts... of the group, there is only Zuckuss who seems to be vaguely original.
     
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    The Boba Fett obsession was only incepted because, as you stated in a very simple way "doesn't do much". He doesn't need a background story, that's the appeal to him, him being a mysterious character that is what him so popular, and ironically was destroyed as a character by getting a background in ATOC, there was no need for it and is in harsh contrast to his character and purpose in the OT. He is just a glimpse, sort of a vessel for the audience to see what else is out there in the SW Galaxy, it is the very simple rule of filmmaking "show! don't tell" also it underlines him being a bounty hunter: he is in for business period.... and the absolute bad ass armor helps too.
     
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    It's all about the mystery and less is more. When all you have is a cool looking elusive character, a lack of history and details (not counting the PT) then in essence you have all the ingredients of a character of mythical proportions. It is correct to say Boba hasn't done much in the movies it seems to deserve this honourable status. It's our desire for his lack of exposure however to see Boba in future films, books ect. My only wish is that with future content about Boba, the myth and the mystery of the man is preserved.
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    The character and function of Prince Valorum seems to be reincarnated into Captain Phasma. That could be a bit of a leap I suppose...
     
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    The original voice gives a stronger impression of Boba Fett than the new voice.
     
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    I'm not a Fett-obsessed fan, but I get it. Definitely the mystery. He wasn't a rebel or an Imperial. He was a mercenary bounty hunter. He talked to Vader face to face with no fear. He disintegrated people for money. He flirted with Tatooine prostitutes. I always imagined he and Solo had a serious rivalry or some sort of history. Wookie scalps, jet pack, that cool eye-piece thing on his helmet...
     
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    There is a lot of expanded universe stuff that makes him a much better character.
     
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    But that's the problem my friend. While I know for a fact that Fett was a sort of demigod in the EU, all those stories are no longer canon so all we have to go on to define Fett is the movies and the CW series both of which show him as nothing impressive.
     
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    It's the "cool factor".
     
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    If the third spinoff film is indeed a Boba Fett movie, I hope it is set after the events of the Sarlaac pit. That way, we can learn more about Fett as an older man, instead of how he was in the past. Looking at the PT and the Clone Wars, I feel we have seem the most important aspects of his life. Also, if the Boba Fett film is set after VI, Disney/Lucasfilm can use this to insert a few pre-TFA easter eggs.
     
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    I think it does have to deal with the armor because I am not someone who really wants a Boba Fett spinoff. But I won't hate on anyone who loves this character.
     
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