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SPECULATION Where are Luke's Students?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by The Last Jorgny, Oct 10, 2019.

  1. The Last Jorgny

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    I haven't seen anything written on this yet, but I haven't paid attention to the leaks that I understand are coming from time to time. But Luke tells Rey in TLJ that Kylo "took a handful of students" with him when he left after Luke scared him away. I assumed at the time that the students had to be the Knights of Ren, but then I discovered the quotes from Driver and Abrams saying that the knights existed before Kylo even joined them. Where do you think the students are?

    There are so many other things to adress in the movie, with the KOR, Palpatine, the Sith, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren etc. It's probably going to have to be a pretty fast paced movie. I don't mind that in itself, but I just hope it doesn't turn out to feel rushed.
     
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    Most of them have had Kylo’s saber through their abdomen (crossguard).
    The rest were likely slain by the KOR or the KOR are the former students strong enough to survive.
     
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    As of right now, we don’t know. I have no doubt that the upcoming “Rise of Kylo Ren” comic will address this, but for now, all we can do is speculate.

    The Knights of Ren don’t carry lightsabers, they don’t seem to be Force sensitive, and like you mentioned, they existed before Ben’s fall to the Dark Side. I think that Luke’s line in TLJ about Ben taking a few of his students was intentionally left open-ended and might have originally been written to suggest that the KOR could be Luke’s missing students, but I don’t think that’s the case anymore. Still, there’s the possibility that maybe they did end up joining the Knights of Ren and they died prior to whenever Rey’s vision from TFA takes place? (As there is only six other knights with Kylo in both this scene, as well as the promotional material for TROS, and I don’t believe that any of them are former Jedi.)

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    Another possibility is that those other students might have not even left with Kylo. Perhaps they escaped before or during the destruction of Luke’s temple and Luke just assumed that they left with his nephew? Maybe the upcoming comic will show Kylo and the Knights of Ren hunting after the survivors?

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    Or maybe they did actually leave with Kylo and they ended up having to compete with him to become Snoke’s apprentice and to become the Master of the Knights of Ren. (Which really would have been Snoke testing Kylo’s strength, similar to the way Palpatine has tested Vader in the comics.)

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    Whatever became of these students, I doubt it will be addressed in The Rise of Skywalker and I have a feeling that they died prior to the events of the Sequel Trilogy.
     
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    The scene of Ren and the KOR in the rain I actuslly thought was a future vision that we will see in TRoS. I am willing to be corrected and it just be flashback, but there are scenes in TRoS trailer that look similiar.
     
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    I suppose the Abrams and Driver quotes only related to a backstory that was ultimately never revealed in TFA.
    As of TLJ, that backstory may well be void, because I get the impression Johnson's intention with that line of dialogue was to suggest Luke's pupils joined Kylo and became the KOR.
    Personally, I doubt it will even be resolved in Episode IX...
     
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    I don't know how much the "general audience" care about this stuff, but for me it would leave a gaping hole in Kylo Ren and Luke's shared backstory if it wasn't addressed at all in TROS. But I agree, I can see them just leaving it there and never mention it again.
     
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    Klaud was the only one to survive :(
     
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    I still believe that Rey is one of these students and was left in Jakku so that she is not found by Kylo Ren. That also explains her quick progression with the Force... But there are two good questions about it....

    1. Why doesn't Luke recognize her after he reconnects to the Force? Well probably that is the strongest argument, but considering their shared time after his reconnection was like 10 mins, half of them fighting, maybe he didn't have the time to see inside her... And most likely he didn't believe that she would make it...

    2. Why does Rey have no memory of her being trained? I can't answer this... Maybe she was too little to remember or someone "deleted" her memories with the Force, much like the Exile in KOTOR 2...

    The rest of the students, are either dead, or spread through the galaxy and maybe Rey's mission is to find them and bring them back... That could be an interpretation of "Rise of Skywalker" and "i will not be the last Jedi"...

    But they are probably dead, they will never be mentioned in TROS and I am only making up scenarios for myself, although I promised to myself that I wouldn't... I fell to the dark side once again... :)
     
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    If I remember correct Rey was already on Tatooine Jakku at the time Luke almost killed Ben.
     
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    If I'm not missing any specific detail from some source, how can you tell?

    I think it has been said that Kylo is a lot older than Rey, like a decade or so... So if we assume that Kylo was around 18 yo when he left Luke, Rey could actually be in the age we see her being abandoned in TFA... Now, 15 years later, Rey is in her 20s and Kylo is in his 30s...
     
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    Ben Solo turned to the dark side and joined the FO six years prior the events of TFA. That's confirmed by the novel "Bloodline" and of course now by TLJ.

    Ben Solo was 23 when he fell, just like Anakin. Rey was already abandoned for 14 years at this time.
     
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    I would think they would be in College by now. :p
     
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    So that pretty much rules out the theory about Rey being one of the missing students then. Good to know. I wasn't really expecting that one to be true either. I am really curious to see if TROS picks up the flashback scenes from TFA and TLJ. The scenes from TFA seemed really important at the time, but they are so fragmented and unclear that we don't really even know how important they are. The little we see from Luke and Ben Solo's past in TLJ was very interesting so I guess they could show more of that too.
     
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    I guess I have my answer then... :)
     
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    The fact the group / gang called The Knights of Ren existed before Ben joins them doesn’t preclude Luke students who survived Ben attack being these KoR as it could be Ben & the surviving student basically took over the KoR so some or all of the KOR we see in TROS are those students.
    As for the KoR being. Force Sensitive honestly at this point I have no idea just as we have no idea how much training these students had gone through at Luke’s academy.
    Personally I always thought (based on absolutely no evidence just a gut feeling) That Ben was the first & most advanced student so the fact that none of the KoR appear to have Lightsabersdosent to me mean they cannot be Luke’s students.
     
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    I think they went to Shawarma to grab a bite to eat. On the way back, their warp coils malfunctioned so they stopped somewhere for some FTL fuel.
     
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    I would love to see Kylo make a KOR an apprentice. That is if has moved on from TLJ, “let the past die.” I personally think Kylo said Post-Modern Philisophy to make Rey drop her guard. I think Kylo is still deficated to the Dark Side. At least I hope.
     
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    Let’s not forget Kylo has a unique, unstable lightsaber, not the one from TLJ’s flashbacks. That was a blue one.

    Is it confirmed they don’t have brawling weapons that are lightsaber based, like the Snoke guards or the first order weapon we’ve seen In scenes with Finn in BOTH movies.
    Just because we haven’t seen the KOR ignite their weapons doesn’t mean they won’t in TROS.

    Doesn’t that seem like the exact kind of thing they’d save for the movie?

    I’m thinking the KOR are first act cannon fodder for Rey, or the key to a big plot point, nothing in between.

    That force vision has to pay off.
    JJ & KK have too keen of a sense of $$$ to go down the divisive “subverting all expectations” route again. If they’re explaining Rey and showing the KOR more than a scene or two, that scene of slaughter must be referenced and they couldn’t take out that many adversaries without superior tech like lightsabers, it seems to me.
     
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    That’s dark. Kylo is taking a dump to the dark side. I wonder if he had corn for dinner:p:D
     
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