SPECULATION Where are Luke's Students?

“Only a Sith deals in absolutes.”

 

Agreed. They are probably some long standing group.

We wouldn’t say Anakin couldn’t be a Sith because the Sith existed before he was born.

 

What would be epic, though unlikely, is that Luke’s surviving students appear with blades and perhaps unstable lightsabers like Kylo's crossguard lightsaber, and fight the KOR while Rey and Kylo Duel.

 

Neither the lack of lightsabers among the KoR or the fact that the Knights of Ren existing before Kylo became their boss precludes the other "fallen"(?) students of Luke's to also have joined the KoR. (Students aren't supposed to have lightsabers yet, right?). The fallen students could very well have joined the KoR, or even taken over the KoR, OR joined an earlier iteration (Acolytes of the Beyond?) and together with Kylo & Snoke transformed them into a new order, The Knights of Ren. (I.e. they exists prior to Kylo Ren, but under another name and function). Everything is possible at this point (thank you, Rian! <3 ).

Another possibility which I think is quite likely, is LFL keeping the fate of (at least some of) Luke's fallen students vague for later exploitation. It could be a powerful callback & storytelling tool to, say... 20 years from now, when we're in the middle of some hitherto unknown movie series or TV show set post the ST, have a mysterious, broken down, repenting fallen "jedi" show up somewhere only to turn out to be one of Luke's surviving students. Writers and storytellers doesn't like to close doors unless the door-closing itself serves a narrative or emotional purpose, and I think it likely that we'll hear from Luke's students again in the future. (Unless, that is, they are all KoR to be cut down in ROS, of course).

 

Okay, no hate, but why "thank you, Rian"? He didn't answer who the KOR are. He didn't even set them up for IX. JJ has a huge task because of this now. He has to re-introduce the KOR, explain them and kill them in one single movie. In a planned trilogy it would have been:
- introduce them in TFA
- learn more about them in TLJ
- kill them in TROS

This is something I really dislike about the current canon. LF is holding back informations. George Lucas never cared about spoiling anything. He just told his story in full glory (in good and bad ways of course).

 

Rian Johnson cleaned the slate, freeing the story for a powerful and unknowable finale. He did not curtail his successor's creativity with massive amounts of tie-downs; he gave JJ true creative freedom and us not a clue what will happen in RoS.

So, yeah. Everything is possible at this point (thank you, Rian! <3 )!

 

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. Jabba the Hutt was originally only mentioned in passing in ANH, and mentioned briefly again in ESB, before showing up in ROTJ. There was never a mention of a second Death Star prior to ROTJ. And General Grevious showed up out of nowhere for ROTS. SW has a long history of saving big things for the final film. The ST will be no different in that regard.

 

I can't help but think that the Knights of Ren and Luke's students were simply lines written to refer to "something" beyond what we see and without much thought. I think the KoR were more of a "we'll get to this in another movie" than the students, which were probably meant to be forgotten.

 

Luke killed all of his students. Ben was the only one left and then he snapped out of it at the last moment. Luke redeeming his father and bringing light to dark in ROTJ was just a joke from GL. Rian Johnson REALLY knows what this story is about.

 

To think, if Luke had not stood over Ben with his green lightsaber , Kylo Ren might be a Jedi not a Dark Sider. Luke ensured Kylo’s fall to Bogan when he stood over that bes ready to kill his nephew. But that is the history if the Jedi, repression and genocide of us Sith. Their jealousy made them want to neutralize us, when they could have joined us in the shadow of discovery.

 

Speaking of Luke's students, do you think we'll ever know on wich planet his temple was? Maybe not in TROS but i see a lot of potential for comics or novels there...

 

Yes i want to see the relationship between Luke/Kylo/the students when they are training maybe in the vein of The Young Jedi Knights series of books in the 90's but less childish. Like their training takes them to differents places and adventures, while Kylo begin to sense the influence of Snoke.

 

It would be very cool if we could get a story exploring Luke's struggles with rebuilding the Jedi Order and train students, his successes and failings and misgivings, in short, a lot of forshadowing of things to come. And of course, we could get a deeper insight into the background manipulations of Snoke (and possibly Palpatine) as well. I'd absolutely love such a story

 

Yup and i could easily see such a story being told in the form of a trilogy of books "Aftermath" style

 

Maybe Snoke made Kylo kill them to prove his loyalty. Why not, he did it with Han and tried to do it with Rey. In fact, it would help explain just why Snoke was so sure Kylo wouldn't betray him, who knows how many times he tested him like that.

 

Ben's fall occurred AFTER the events of Bloodline, but you are correct that Rey had already been living on Jakku for a long time by that point.

 

Just rewatched TLJ last night. Luke tells us in TLJ that some of his students went with Kylo, the rest were killed. So potentially there are some Force Users we’ve yet to see.