Where are the plot holes?

The villains in star wars are always hubristic and arrogant. Their arrogance, their belief in their own absolute superiority, blinds them and prevents them from making the proper rational choices.
Let's refresh your memory a bit....









They are so blinded by their own arrogance that they make stupid mistakes.

 

Again, there is dialogue that says that the turrets aren't designed to shoot down small fighters. Did you miss the bit where Poe used his revved up X-Wing to get close to the Dreadnaught so it couldn't blast him out of the sky from a distance? That's why he made the call to Hux. To get them to delay.

Dear oh dear.

It shows.

See: 'The Empire' in A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

 

Why didn't the writers just let the Empire kill all the rebels with the deathstar in A New Hope. It would have prevented a lot of bad writing right.......?

 

He would have been turned into swiss cheese if he did a normal approach. That's why he had the rocket boost on the X-wing to get close enough that the turrets would not be able to pick him off.

And oh, by the way, you must think a bunch of morons made A New Hope as well:

Imperial Officer:
We count 30 rebel ships, lord Vader, but they are so small they're evading our turbo lasers.

Darth Vader:
We'll have to destroy them ship to ship. Get the crews to their fighters.

 

He has seen a phantom edit no doubt

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Absolute morrons. A New Hope is an overrated piece of narrative junk full of holes of plot and narrative incongruities. Luke guids the torpedo without proper training or buff to his rpg force novice stats? What a fricking joke. "When I saw this movie, I was so angry, I wanted to punch someone" (that's an actual quote from the most active member in the Finn thread! )

 

Contrived set pieces. A ship that large having no defense against fighters ?And I remember them getting under the firing arc of the turrets in the other films, but there was still tie fighters ready to deal with that. Not oooppps we forgot to launch those guys like in TLJ

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They were arrogant and failed to launch the fighters "five bloody minutes ago!". Again, Star Wars villains are always arrogant. It is a staple trope of these movies.

 

Those turrets took out some of the fighters as I recall. The fat guy with goatee was the first to go. Didn't you know that?

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Yeah it would have. I'd regret not seeing ESB and ROTJ, but if it saved me from the prequels and TLJ, I could live with that lol

 

Admiral Ozzel made a tactical mistake, just like the bad guys continue to do throughout the trilogies.

You enjoyed TFA then?

 

lol..........I had to see this trailer over and over again. I've seen TLJ 10 times you know........so I'd to see this one 10 times.

 

I certainly wasn’t a fan of that scene, but I think we need to cut Rian Johnson a little slack here. JJ tasked that guy with a pretty weighty chore: explain how Luke, captain of team hope, felt so responsible for Ben’s heel turn that he loses all hope and willingly places himself in exile. That was the setup from TFA. That wasn’t optional. He had to work that reasoning out somehow.

What he came up with was pretty decent. Pure, undiluted shame. That Luke did the one thing that the legendary Luke Skywalker would assuredly have never done, never been capable of, was the whole point. You’re right, the Luke we know, that the galaxy knows, that he believed himself to be, wouldn’t have done that. That’s why it has the impact on him that it does. That’s why he doubts the core of who he, and what he represents, is.

That being said, I think that scene was very poorly constructed and clumsy. But it’s the point of the scene that’s important. “That’s not the Luke I know.” EXACTLY!

 

Yes I did and RO. George's prequels ruined my experience of starwars. with the release of TFA and RO I was filled with optimism. But then TLJ happened lol

 

Maybe they're not plot holes, but most likely missing/edited scenes...

What's the 3rd lesson?!?!

How'd Rey get from the Throne Room to the Falcon? I mean, seeing Snoke's escape vehicle would of been cool, would of loved to see Rey fly again too.

Where's Rey running with her lightsaber in the rain on Ach-to?

I miss seeing various crews in cockpits of more enemy ships/vehicles... new variants.

 

Kinda feel like I'm running into a burning building to grab a slice of pizza, but anyway, here's Wonderwall.

Exactly. I'm sure the issue is more complex than I make it, but I blame channels like Cinema Sins. If you actually ever manage to make it through one of the pessimistic and overanalytic pieces of media that I think they try to make for some sort of warped comedic value, you'll notice that a good deal of what they refer to as "sins" are completely innocuous. I haven't subjected myself to one of those movies in a while, but I can't help but think that this weird need to rip movies apart for things that ultimately don't matter (like wondering how bombs can be dropped in space when we already have about 5 different reasons why the scene works) stems from trying to emulate channels like that.

And it doesn't work. Mostly because the bar with Cinema Sins is low already, but also because (and I'll try to not sound too pretentious here) but most moviegoers don't have a critical eye for this kind of thing anyway.

That's a pretty slippery slope there, friend.


Instead of introducing completely bizarre situations, why not just judge each for what it's worth?

Exactly. Guess who also found Luke to be far different than he imagined?
"This guy"
*points at self, realizes this doesn't work well in a text based format*

But for real, I'm happy with how Luke was portrayed, while also simultaneously finding him far different than I anticipated. There's no reason to find the two mutually exclusive.

 

"Maybe"?

The one Luke learns from Yoda probably: you only truly fail when you give up. Luke's goal was to convince Rey to give up. The third lesson was likely meant to underscore that. So, it was rendered moot. That's my take.

 

That's an interesting thought. I always just assumed that it was dropped because her training was cut short. By introducing three lessons and only showing two, it's pretty clear that:

1) Luke intended to do relatively little to train Rey
and
2) Rey's training was cut short anyway

It'd be like saying Pulp Fiction has a plot hole because we never find out what's in the briefcase, when in reality the allure of what's inside doesn't need to be explained.

 

Actually the third lesson got cut from the movie. So yeah, not a plot hole, but sloppy editing.

Luke Skywalker’s Last Lesson To Rey

One of the biggest deleted scenes involves another lesson Luke Skywalker gives to Rey, taking place chronologically after they talk inside the cave where Luke mentions Darth Sidious. Rey notices boats arriving at the island and there appears to be a big fire from where they’re landing. Luke tells her that it is a group of bandits who regularly come back to the island to plunder and kill the caretakers. Rey is very concerned and wants to help them, but Luke tells her that if you help them now, the raiders will come back stronger and it will make things worse in the future. He asks Rey if she is always going to be here to protect them, saying that a true Jedi Knight would do nothing and would only act to maintain balance, even when people get hurt.

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-deleted-scenes/
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So you take issue with Poe blowing up Dreadnaught turrets but the whole Starkiller base stuff gets a free pass because ANH 2.0 was such a great movie?

He didn't get to it - she rushed off.

Pointless. The film was long enough.

Cut. Who knows? Why?

And I miss Princess' in gold bikinis, but we can't always get what we want.

 

I'm not even mad about it. Just things I noticed. Hell the droids were barely in it, I missed them too.
Also Lesson 3 could be a Rey speaking to Luke's ghost scene in IX.