Where are the plot holes?

Once again it wasnt a single ship taking on star killer base.

 

I recall a ship... I think it's called the Falcon, taking on a Super Destroyer and a fleet of Destroyers on it it's own...

 

Are we talking ESB here? That's a ship evading capture, not taking on a destroyer. And Han is so desperate that he enters an asteroid field, because he knows if he stays in the open he'll be obliterated

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And I'll admit there's flaws in the other movies. But because TLJ is so bad, its flaws seem to stand out more. Horrible storyline, subplots, pacing is off, terrible dialogue, padded out to the max, bizarre use of levity in tense moments etc etc etv

 

i really appreciated the use of levity. the story has become such a melodrama that it helps keep things light and breaks some of the tension.

that being said, there were several jokes and bits that were genuinely cringey to me. overall i still like it, it was well made and generally well executed.

 

Perhaps... or perhaps it's worse than AOTC I mean Kylo's lines make Anakin look like a Don Juan by comparison:

You have no place
in this story.
You come from nothing.
You're nothing.
But not to me.
Join me.
Please.

I don’t like sand. It’s coarse
and rough and irritating, and it
gets everywhere. Not like here.
Here everything’s soft... and
smooth...

 

I whole heartily disagree. And I created the account to actually see what hardcore fans thought of the film. I was expecting universal outrage. But it appears its split down the middle here too. I'm still baffled by the Poe not being in on the escapee plan explanation. If it was a lesson in humility, like some have put across, its a very risk lesson to be teaching someone if it hinges on a life or death situation

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There was jokes I liked too. Luke messing with Rey about feeling the force was hilarious. But Poe messing with people in the middle of life or death situation is badly scripted and just plain odd

 

Hardcore fan culture (the screaming/crying multitude of people dressed in Jedi robes as they wave toy lightsabers as they line up for Star Wars celebration) is among the worst place to seek opinion on TLJ (or any SW film) as a film. You'll get extreme bias, either way the opinion goes.

 

Oh I know. But any opinion of the film that comes mainly from bias, whether it's love or hate, means very little to me. (not that it matters....I know....)

You've got the bandwagon haters with their bias, and then the brand-loyal lovers with their bias.

I wonder what the like-to-dislike ratio would be with all of that eliminated. Impossible to tell, really.

The only possible indication that I can think of, is critic reviews? Maybe....?

 

The plan was in effect when Leia was still in charge. And if Poe was considered a loose cannon, wouldn't it be wiser to tell him of the plan , so he didn't create waves?

 

Maybe it's just reflex for a trained Jedi to ignite a saber the moment the dark-side threat is sensed.

Inconsistent? Maybe. I'm guessing TPTB decided that having such a powerful protagonist remain static wouldn't be as interesting as introducing an arc that allowed room for subverting expectations and showing character development.

Shambles may be a fitting word. I left my first viewing confused and with a bad taste in my mouth - and I went in ignorant of trailer content and purposely left my expectations at the door! Some time to process things and a second viewing turned most of my dislikes into likes.

I'm surprised to catch myself advocating a rewatch of a film someone didn't like on first viewing (I probably wouldn't if advised to) but if you are interested or invested in past stories/characters it may be worth one more look. After my experience, heavy criticism after two viewings would carry a lot of weight.

Good point. The Resistance hierarchy often contrasts with the FO by seeming more informal. It's an interesting storytelling choice to use the less rigid hierarchy to highlight weaknesses in the system.

I like the ambiguity for viewers here though - decisions by multiple characters can be read as mistakes and blame could also be apportioned to systems, tactics and procedures. At least the character decisions remain plausible and there are lessons learned that lead directly to character growth and repercussions that further the plot.

edit:grammar

 

....and we know what the critics say Unlike the previous two there is now an explosion of digressive and exegetical content produced by critics about this movie. They love explaining its complexity and wonderful storytelling.

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Realize that the fans don't really represent the general audience. The audience just sees a movie it loves and does not necessarily go on the internet proselytizing their particular reception. Like we all do.

I always trust the critics' reception and my own. That's what really matters for me.

 

Not relating to any of the things being discussed above this, but how did Rey get from Ahch-to to Snoke's ship (which was close to crait at the time) seemingly so fast? The movie plays out during a pretty short amount of time, and the distance between these two planets seems to be huge. Im no expert in this stuff at all so i might be wrong. Anyone know more about this?

 

Because it's Star Wars. Space ships have always moved at the speed the plot required them to.

 

You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?
It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs.
She's fast enough for you old man.

What's the cargo?

 

I guess you don't remember the first scene in TFA where he actually messes with Kylo after being caught... "I go first? You go first?"

Completely in character.

 

Yeah, that was my first thought. First time I saw the movie, I was like "Hmm, this seems familiar!"

Poe's kind of a lovable tool, and Hux is an intense psychopath that you love to hate. I'm not sure people understand his or Hux's characters if they're so disoriented by this.

 

I love Hux chewing the scenery! IT'S FANTASTIC. And I love that Poe is the loveable "hero" that doesn't, in fact, save the day. He get's rightfully put in his place.

 

Poe is the stereotypical action hero in a movie franchise that has more or less always avoided them or made them the bad guy.
So his growth is from generic 80s action hero to full realized character, as seen by him calling off the attack and realizing Luke is stalling for the escape.

So yes, he is exactly what you say...a lovable tool.