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Where are the plot holes?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by DailyPlunge, Dec 19, 2017.

  1. DailyPlunge

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    Or "I've disliked the film, so I search for the easiest scapegoat."
     
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    This is the biggest part I don't get!!! What good is it doing anyway? I really don't understand the ones that are simply rude and disrespectful to other in the forum and to RJ himself. I have yet to meet a member of this forum (or any for that matter) that has written, developed, and directed a full length, feature film themselves. But yet we still have words like "he's a moron" thrown around just because it wasn't what you would have liked. I really don't get it. If you like it great! If you don't great. No one is right or wrong and you will not change the others mind.
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    Haha... I just put that in another thread!
     
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  4. AfraidFool

    AfraidFool Rebel Trooper

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    A Fool's take on TLJ Plot HOLES!!!

    Where do I begin....
    Are there plot holes in TLJ? MAYBE
    Are there plot holes that I know of in TLJ? - NO

    I'll explain why I believe that is -
    After viewing this movie I had to change, or at least revise, what I believed a plot hole is. Star Wars is science fiction, so most all of what could be considered a plot hole in a normal film would not apply here because, in this settting. it can be explained with something impossible.
    If something that is, in the real world, impossible happens in Star Wars that is not a plot hole, unless it is previously stated in the Star Wars universe that it is also impossible AND the movie does not provide an explanation as to why it is now possible.
    I don't see this happening in TLJ

    Wait What???!?

    "It could be explained" - this is the real issue with the movie, NOT PLOT HOLES.
    Nearly everything that happens in this movie "can be explained" -- by writing the script for Rian in some instances or by searching Star Wars lore.

    I think a movie should be focused and clear.
    TLJ is not a focused movie, it has MANY things going on. - I think this is a problem with the film
    TLJ DOES have many issues with continuity. - I think this is a big issue. A common issue with blockbuster films.
    ISSUES IN CONTINUITY DO NOT MAKE PLOT HOLES EITHER

    fOOL oUT !
     
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  5. Too Gon Onbourbon

    Too Gon Onbourbon Rebel Official

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    No, he had reconnected prior to that. He went up to the peak we see him reach out and the quiver of the little pool inside.
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    No one need pretend your assertion of a plot hole as correct either. Like I see no reason to pretend that not explaining how a piece of tech or magic works in a fantasy movie is a plot hole.

    You have no more need to know how the bombs work than you do a lightsaber or a hyperdrive. It makes no difference if there is gravity in Star Wars space like there is sound or if there are magnets or if they are rail propelled.
     
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  6. ReyErso5280

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    I don’t look at this as a plot hole but I figured this would be a great thread to get some perspective and insight. If this has been mentioned before please forgive me...to many posts to read.

    One of the few things that made me go wait I don’t understand. TFA is about a map to Luke. It’s the inciting incident to start the film...

    TLJ - he says it’s time for the Jedi to end and he came to the planet to die.

    So my question is why then leave a “breadcrumb” trail in the first place?
     
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    Maybe he came to that conclusion after ariving on the planet/island.
     
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    This has been explained before, or at least Pablo tried to explain it. Pablo recently deleted all of his past tweets but I was able to find archived text, "This came up earlier today. From Hans dialogue in The Force Awakens. The map isnt specifically to Luke. Its not something he left behind. Its to where Luke is believed to be. Its a map to the first Jedi temple. Lor San Tekka helped with the research."
     
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    ok great thanks! and actually it occurred to me after my post that maybe I'm looking at this all wrong...that Luke didn't give the piece, he took it away. but yeah Pablo's answer is obviously gospel.

    thanks again
     
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    I'm not sure this is a plot hole or not, or if it has been mentioned yet.

    What about the fact that Rey and Poe were seen standing near each other looking at the map to Luke Skywalker at the end of TFA, and then they finally meet at the end of TLJ. Just seems a bit off to me...maybe I'm wrong. :)
     
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    Given the situation, it's possible no formal introduction was made.
    Grieving and preparing for evacuation. And at that point there's no real reason for either to be in a hurry to meet.
    Does Poe even know Rey is anything important yet?
     
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    Probably not important then but she did help return his droid though. Maybe not a plot hole at all, maybe just something that didn't make sense to me.
     
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    Poe was probably more concerned with his friend Finn, who he actually knows being nearly dead. Also, his friend Han Solo is now dead and he has to go lead an attack on a dreadnaught in a matter of hours....lots to do for Mr Dameron
     
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    The problem though is that the TFA novelization (note: did not read the novelization of TFA) made a point though that they at least said hi to each other and shook hands, however TLJ acts like they never met before. I don't consider this a major plot hole. It's akin as to why they didn't have Chewie and Leia hug at the end.
     
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    Because the books are done in such a fashion they create these silly inconsistencies.
    I get why they do them this way, but Film supersedes all. So if the film contradicts a book, you basically toss that part of a book out.
     
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    I have not read it either, but after doing a little digging on the internet, I found that In the novelization of TFA, they do meet briefly.
     
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    Speaking of, what do deleted scenes count as? Canon?
     
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    Only "official" deleted scenes I think.
    So any leaks or BTS stuff is not.
     
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    Plot holes and other writing problems are given here:

     
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    I wasted my time watching this video so I hope no one else does. This guy doesn't point out any plot hole. He just calls things he doesn't like "terrible."

    For example: His first argument is that Poe's attack at the beginning of the film doesn't make sense. Correct, which is why Leia demotes Poe.

    This is what he leads with so my first observation is did this guy watch the film? My recommendation... don't watch this video if you're looking for objectivity or even reasonable discussion about the film.

    He complains about Rey beating Kylo Ren in The Force Awakens which again proves he hasn't really watched these films closely enough. This video may speak to people who didn't like the film, but to call itself "objective" is crime against the English language.

    49 pages and still no plot holes.
     
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