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Where is the Romance? Part II

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by HAL'sgal, Dec 18, 2017.

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    I wanted FinnxRey! I don't mind their sibling relationship. But it could've had great buildup from TFA-TLJ-IX! Like culmination of their arcs, similar backgrounds and senses of humour, it coulda been great!
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    I'm happy we got to see the glory of the 8 pack, but wtf Disney! She shot a blaster at him in their first scene and he felt it and looked directly at her. Just admit it was cheap humour or intended for romantic tension and get on with it.
     
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    Rose/Finn isn't romance, it's idolization, puppy love that I'm fairly certain only one party shares. Rose has a crush on Finn because of the stories she's heard, that's all.
     
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    Don't forget Space Vegas! Hopefully what happens in Space Vegas, stays in Space Vegas.
     
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    Yeah- we got to stick together up here near Hoth!
    What I don't get is why Rey told him to put something on. Modesty tends to be instilled by one's upbringing, and she didn't have any upbringing to speak of. I'm sure she's seen worse. It was kind of a cute moment, though.
     
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    Yeah, me too : this could have been a great "feel good" romance, with two very supportive characters, and filled with complicity.

    Allas, that ship has sailed now, as RJ made everything in his power to destroy it.
     
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    I’m still happy we have their friendship. Lots of great friendships in ST. But I loved their dynamic in TFA so much, then TLJ comes along and no shared screen time apart from a hug and brief moment on falcon. Wtf Disney (new catchphrase!)
     
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    The entire trilogy is sort of about romance. But I would say it's more about the relationship between two equal girl and boy. The prequel relationship is mother-son for the most part. Anakin-his literal mother and Anakin-Padme, who served as a mother figure to him. The loss of his literal mother and turning on his lover-mother. Boy loses control of his mother-son relationship.

    In the original trilogy, it's obviously father-son between Luke and Vader. At first, young teen boy is in his father's shadow. Less powerful and wise. Young adult Luke then overpowers Vader and turns him. Boy takes command of the father-son relationship.

    The sequels jump to barely overt romance between Finn and Rose. Of note is the polarity here. Finn is a stormtrooper turned Jedi. Rose is (presumably) a natural rebel. Finn is a hero. Rose is a nobody mechanic (in contrast to her sister on the bombers). This situation equalizes as the movie progresses. Rose keeps Finn on track during the mission while Finn more or less just supports Rose. Ironic. Rose is the hero in their dynamic. tl;dr they're equal girl and boy

    But Rose and Finn aren't the centrality here of the "girl/boy meet their equal" dynamic. They're an echo of it. We all know the equals central this story. But as Luke says "This is not going to go the way you think". There won't be a Padme dies or a Luke turns Vader because the story is not about a Lesser rising above a Greater or a Lesser losing their Greater. It's the story of two equals and opposites meeting and dealing with that.

    EDIT: I forgot the rest of the quote and I can't find it but remember when Rey says "Something inside me has always been there, but now it’s awake and I need help."? Her friends can't help her with it. Her half-crazy mentor is wishy-washy about helping her with it. Who does she turn to?
     
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    If I may continue, and this should be a joke but I'm srs, there's an argument to made that all of Star Wars is fundamentally about sex, or at least sex is at its core. I won't be making the argument because I suck. But I can outline it. Besides the obvious marketing to children thing, overt sexual things never show up because they're omnipresent in the subtext. To bring them to the forefront would spoil it. All the majors movies so far are about teenagers navigating the transition to adulthood. Anakin, Luke, and now Rey/Kylo (2 halves of a protagonist). Why is the dark side, and now the light apparently, seductive--why that terminology? Why is it that before Luke the Force Jedi don't uses their feelings and what is Luke reflecting by bucking that trend--is this symbolic of the changing sexual norms in the 70s?

    Really the best evidence is Luke the hero blowing his load into the big prize hole. It's cool because in this moment he is both the sperm that got through where none of the others did (but helped him along the way) and the emissary of the sperm. Ejaculator and ejaculated at the same time. Watch the video and Luke's face in the when aiming, releasing, and after the really big boom (if you know what I mean).



     
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    I feel there is still a good chance that there will be a romance in this trilogy.Love and romance are such big themes in SW,I'd find it odd for this trilogy to totally neglect them.It doesn't mean I'm desperate for Reylo but Finn and Poe for example would be a nice touch.
     
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    John Boyega has stated Finn x Poe isn't happening.

    I still wouldn't mind Finn and Rey though.
     
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    While I have no problem with it... it's just boring after what Rey and Kylo shared. Like, will Finn ever be able to measure up to the sort of understanding that passed between Rey and Ben? They share a force bond and so much more.

    Idk.

    Best friends ----> tepid romance isn't what great fictional romances are made of.

    Either make the romance memorable or don't write one in at all. No need to shoehorn a dumbass love quadrangle between Rey, Poe, Finn, and Rose.
     
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    Best friends---->romance does happen. But I'd rather have pure friendship than another boring romance.

    They are also force users, and I think Ben actually helped Rey come to terms with being fs, as well as facing her past.
     
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    Ok that I didn't know.Thanks for the info.Yeah I wouldn't mind that either but seeing that in TLJ they had no interaction and given her connection with Kylo, it would take a pretty good scenario for me to believe a romance between them.But hey never say never
     
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    Any good ones? In fictional, not irl.

    Irl best friends to lovers is best.
     
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    Hope springs eternal. Like daisies!

    I don't want Kylo and Rey...I want Redeemed Ben and Rey.

    Don think so. Tho. Too tricky to write well.
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    Katana and Aang in last airbender! The main pairing in Korra. I love them because it feels like a realistic take on romance.
     
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    I said good ones. :p

    It felt incestuous. Like he just felt wayyy too young for her and she spent most of the three seasons mothering him.

    But I agree with the Korra one. A+ romance.
     
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    IT is a good one. They addressed that mothering bit in the show. Its a very slow romance, and probably best in ATLA tbh. No nonsensical drama unlike the first pairing in Korra.
     
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    And that was the most boring way of ending it imo (Katara and Aang)
    Zuko / Katara dynamic was cooler
     
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    It will be romance but ReyLo is now excluded.

    There are hints they are setting path of connection between Poe Dameron and Rey.I know its unexpected, but after episode VIII I think we can all agree that everything is possible.
     
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