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Where is the Romance? Part II

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by HAL'sgal, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. Migatte no gokui

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    Hehehe (Snoke laughter)... Foolish child ! The abuse is what makes the "ship" possible

    And Kylo immediately force-pulls him back in his arms
     
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    I was joking. :p

    Carry on, fren, live your best life.
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    I TAKE IT BACK STILL CURSED.
     
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    I thought the crying in pillow was serious...

    Welp. KYHUX LIVES!
     
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    It is. Only because that post made me feel so many feels. Like, I'm a rational ass woman with a rational ass life. But god if I don't have my irrational moments when it comes to fictional relationships that seem doomed.

    Besides, Anidala was babyLily's first introduction to the forbidden romance. That and Titanic. :p
     
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    Oh god, cheating already...
    http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-c...saac-star-wars-the-force-awakens-premiere.jpg

    I now declare KyPoe a thing
     
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    Reylo Johnson in a japanese interview:

    "Q: Lastly is there a romantic element?

    Rian Johnson: It is certainly true that there is romantic drama, but there is nothing the same as the two lovers of Han and Leia, this time [laughs]."

    Original source:
    https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20171127-00057795-exp-musi
     
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    You linked that picture, and instead of looking at the hug, my eyes were drawn to the right.

    Why is Domhall's mouth open like that? Did he swallow a fly?

    Same here. Except I did a lot of M/M shipping as a teenager, mainly anime too. :(
     
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    Rey is doing that. Abused (abandoned) by her parents. Abused by Unkar. Abused by Kylo. She's breaking free. She is becoming her own person.

    Where did I say that?
    I just think the notion of a romantic Reylo is gross since he is abusive to her.
     
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    Sorry you compared him to Snoke and my brain made the connection.

    The last person Kylo shares a look with in TLJ is Rey. Their connection isn't dead yet, despite the door shutting.
     
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    The Falcon is currently filled to the brim with exhausted and battleworn survivors. With no extra clothing. And no entertainment.

    A perfect time to get busy. If you know what I'm saying.


    Meanwhile, as the new supreme leader. Kylo could invoke prima nocta on the First Order.
     
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    It makes no sense from a storytelling point of view to not continue the "ReyBen Force Bond romantic drama" in 9.
     
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    Seeing as she was the light to rise to his dark, I think they will always be "connected" I just think the romantic angle of it is DOA.
     
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    I agree. I was saying the same thing lol.

    They'll be like rabbits! Kylo will just do a Solo act, gettit?
     
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    You don't write in such an intense connection and then go, "Nah, we'll just leave them, friends"

    It's just terrible writing.

    This trilogy lives or dies by how they handle Kylo and Rey's relationship. It's pretty much established that they're the heart of this last trilogy. He's the Skywalker and she's the Force's answer to him. They're bound together.

    Everything else just mirrors their conflict.

    So, to remove that sexual undercurrent is to neuter the story. It makes it less impactful. Less engaging. Read the reviews, not just the positive ones. Nearly all of them mention Kylo and Rey's connection to be one of the best things going for the movie. One of the biggest gripes in the negative reviews is that the whole Kylo-Rey thing goes nowhere after the throne room fight.

    People enjoy the thrill of the bad romance.

    It's the excitement and tragedy of the forbidden.

    Healthy or not, it is INTERESTING. I'm not saying healthy relationships can't be interesting but in a story with such sweeping scope, regular meet-cute relationships just don't work. They get swallowed by the story around them.

    There needs to be some danger. Something unexpected. Something inherently sad for the relationship to shine amongst all the other plot threads that are going on.

    They're not going to leave this particular thread hanging, you can be sure of that.

    They might share a love/hate relationship but if you think they're just going to wash away all those layers in their relationship, you'd be wrong.


    And before someone inevitably brings up "SW IS NOT TWILIGHT GROSS", it's not. You're right. In Twilight is about as powerful in both physical strength and personality as a 3-month-old infant. Edward is like 100 years older and can apparently lift cars.

    Ben and Rey are equally powerful. Powerful dark, powerful light. They're on the opposite sides of a war but they have an intense amount of empathy for each other. And it's basically canon that Ben cares about her romantically.
    She doesn't need to be cossetted and protected against someone who's never defeated her in battle. Hell, I'd be more worried about Ben. Homeboy got his face sliced up and yet he basically forgives Rey the first time she slides into his DMs.
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    Now with mood lighting, dramatic head turns and extra George Michael!
     
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    Well said. I also want to see more of the 8 pack.

    In IX, I want Kylo to be put through the wringer about what he's done. For him to feel real guilt, and realisation how much he's messed up. Then redemption can come.
     
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    I say take a limb and his force sensitivity. But give him peace and purpose, jesus christ, I can't watch the Skywalker house fall to ruin. I just cannot.
     
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    I actually wonder if it is actually possible to lose your force sensitivity?

    Kylo will need to piss off the gods methinks. He'll be struck with lightning and be reborn as Matt! The radar technician.

    I want peace for Ben too. A piece of pizza.

    Ok joking over, I want IX to end with Rey and Ben flying through space like Leia did.
     
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    We are just never going to agree on whether or not the romantic angle should or would even go on.
    I never will.

    I've been around enough abusive relationships in my life to know I'd prefer to not see one on the big screen in a way that more or less romanticizes it or glorifies it.
     
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    I agree that abusive relationships shouldn't be glorified. If there's going to be a resolution to the Ben-Rey dynamic that ISN'T tragic, he's going to have to go through a huge amount of change. Redemption. Repentance.

    But we'll agree to disagree. Our views have absolutely no bearing on how this next movie is going to go. Clearly. If TLJ was anything to go by. :p
     
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    Loved the TLJ, but stuff like this is losing me respect for Rian.
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    I dont ccare that they weren't together in TFA. You dont need to be someones BF to be abusive. He tortured her, causing great pain and forcibly entered her mind. The fact that Reylo has such support and everything about them has been romanticized is sick.
     
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