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SPOILER Where is the Romance? Part II

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by HAL'sgal, Dec 18, 2017.

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    Is that Hamlet, or Romeo and Juliet? I can’t tell. Lol.
     
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    Romeo and Juliet. If it was hamlet, the main characters would not be comitting suicide, theyed be getting murdered
     
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    :)
     
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    Yep I know,
     
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    It's called RAPE FANTASY, because Rey's so-called attraction to Kylo Ren began three days or less after he had committed a few crimes against her . . . including attempted mind rape. In fact, this must be the only Star Wars "romance" (so to speak) that is dominated by the concept of rape.


    It's amazing how people are very supportive for any romance other than one between Rey and Finn. They would even support one that seems to be an embodiment of rape fantasy.
     
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    Mind rape.

    Jesus Christ.

    Someday people will stop trivialising actual rape by comparing it to a stupid fictional force power and that day will be glorious.

    Obi-Wan uses it, does that make him a rapist?

    Yoda uses it, does that make HIM a rapist?

    People are seeing a rape comparison because she's female and he's male, and she's restrained and unable to fight back. Han Solo was restrained in a similar apparatus in ESB and was unable to fight back and tortured. I don't think rape is an apt comparison in that case either.

    She's his enemy in that scene. A prisoner of war. And he's the commander of the FO charged with getting information out of her. It's nothing more than the interrogation of a prisoner.

    Besides, if he did "rape" her, why the hell would she get into one of those pods and basically express mail herself to him? She ought to hate him, right? Despise him? And yet she fights Luke after she finds out what he did to Ben Solo.

    She had the chance to kill him multiple times in the movie and yet she doesn't. He's unconscious after the lightsaber explodes, she could have disarmed him and then killed him and yet. she. didn't.
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    Maybe because they just don't see any tension between them? They work better as friends than as romantic interests?
     
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    At least Kylo isn't a 100 years older than her and goes around stalking her by watching her sleep...he didn't consent to the force bond.

    Also if we're going by mind rape=real rape. Then Snoke has been raping Kylo without break for 7 years and pseudo for his entire life. He can "see" inside his head al the time. His "every thought".
     
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    No, no, no. Can people please stop using the term "rape" in reference to fictional mind reading? That's insulting to assault victims, period.

    Anyway, I'm hoping in Episode IX that Rey goes full Scarlett O'Hara and realizes she's loved Ben all along, because I don't think she yet realizes it. It's very obvious he was into her or definitely getting there. Don't tell me Adam Driver made all those puppy dog faces just for the hell of it.
     
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    The hand touch scene is described as a sex scene. You don't describe it like that only to leave it at that. It would be like if Han just said "I know" but that's all he said and didn't care.
     
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    Yes, I agree. I can't understand the folks who don't see anything there. I just figure they don't *want* anything to be there and are lying to themselves.
     
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    Just to play Devil's advocate- the description of the hand touch isn't actually in the movie.

    Rian can think what he wants, but with JJ at the helm now, I don't think the "hand touch" line is binding.
     
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    Well, yes, I know that. I actually found Rian's quote about the hand touching kind of goofy considering we've had kissing in SW in the OT and PT. I find Kylo's words more fruitful evidence of how he feels about Rey than the hand touching scene, if I'm being honest.
     
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    Finn Loves Rey also did you see that Hug Finn & Rey was established at The Beginning of This Trilogy and still seemed to be carried out in The Last Jedi its Happening in Episode IX it was JJ Abrams established
     
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    I would also say Rey is very fond of Finn. He is the only character that cared enough for her to come back for her. There is no one else. Her having any concern for Kylo was Rian ignoring what actually happened to Rey in TFA. Especially with her going to Kylo. She was the one not feeling loved. Kylo had everything. Finn willing to fight for her by using the light saber was Rey's accepting she has the force. Now she is willing to defend her friend and herself with it. Rey and Finn inspired each other. The way TLJ was written should tell you Rian knew Rey and Finn have a special relationship. He made sure Finn and Rey didn't share one line of dialogue in his movie for fear it would mess up his Reylo. It made for a bad movie, because he like many others want to actually forget what happened in TFA.
     
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    Do you have anything to add to this forum other than this same theory over and over? It's silly.

    Rey goes to Kylo because "this is how we win." She believes Kylo can be turned and Ben Solo can defeat the First Order. It's far from a romance. Kylo/Rey are the two force users who faced off twice in the TFA so it's natural that they would meet again in the TLJ. It's not because Rian Johnson had some Reylo agenda.

    I've always viewed the Rey/Kylo thing like the Phantom of the Opera. There's no chance any real relationship will ever happen between the two of them. She pities him because she finds hope in everything. However, like the Phantom his love for her could rescue him from the dark side. As far as romance is concerned Rey is going to be a Jedi so she's not gonna fall in love and get married. Just like Luke didn't get married. Just like Obi-Wan did have kids.
     
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    In fairness, that rule about marriage and kids may change...Jedi might be less uptight and less likely to turn into genocidal maniacs if they aren't backed up balls to brains.
     
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    It might change, but it won't be in this trilogy. Seems like they're going out of the way to follow Lucas' lore choices.
     
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