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Which Character Should Young Boys Aspire to in Force Awakens

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by AllHailVader, Nov 13, 2015.

  1. Viral Hide

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    I am just giving a friendly advice to someone who is banned from the blog comments, and was temporary banned from these boards in the past too. It always helps to be nicer to other members. Especially when some of the negative ratings didn't make any sense.
     
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    Well I appreciate that, but I guess dragging my dirty laundry out for all to see is also your backhanded way of "shaming" me by "outing" me as a banned member from the blog? Something no one else would know aside from me and the mods, but now everyone does? That doesn't embarrass me or anything, I just wanted to let you know that I know what you're doing.

    They made sense to me. Am I supposed to justify them to everyone or something, or is it only okay to "dislike" something if you can guess as to why it was disliked?
     
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    Of course not, dislike everything you want. As I said, "just an advice".
     
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    LOL, okay, but unless you're a mod, you can't see where the "negative"/"dislike" ratings come from, so as far as someone I disliked anonymously is concerned, I'm still being nice to them, there's no perception otherwise unless someone lets them know who gave them a negative rating, which is what you did, so if anything wasn't really nice, I'd say it was probably calling out who the disliker was, exposing them...wouldn't that just create unneeded animosity?
     
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    I like having a Dislike....the red makes me happy.

    Back on topic,

    Yes Rey's story and costume is not gender specific, but in a toy store, it would be strange for a young boy to choose Rey over Kylo, Poe or Finn.

    And there should be no promotion of forcing a child to play with any toy.


    Boys should be boys, and girls be girls. Let's celebrate our differences rather than try and all be the same
     
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    Anyone can see who left a dislike on their post. Just go to your profile and click "ratings received".

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    Now let's get back on topic. :)
     
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    Didn't know that it showed dislikes/negative ratings too.

    But good to know, thank you!
     
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    I could say the same about White boys looking up to Finn, sexism and racism are fruits from the same tree.
     
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    I don't think anyone is talking about forcing a child to like or dress up as something if they don't want to. Quite the opposite actually. But calling someone "strange" if they choose to identify with Rey over Finn is the problem here. That sort of societal pressure to conform to arbitrary norms can cause severe emotional problems. You aren't a true man if you"x, y, or z". It isn't ladylike to "x, y, or z". I won't restrict what my son does based on other people's expectations of what a boy should do.

    The point is not judging or restricting children based on our expectations and conventions. But allowing them to identify with whomever they choose to based on their own interests.
     
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    Real question: does a father NOT buy his son all pink colored stuff because of social expectations or because it's just plain weird to do so?
    Does he NOT buy pink colored stuff because society would find that weird or because IT IS just weird?
    Taking into account the way humans perceive the color pink.
    Please all speak ur mind even if it may give u dislikes.
     
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    No difference. Pink is perceived as "weird" for a boy because of social expectations. Pink has no inherently feminine characteristics. Those attributes are assigned to it by society.
     
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    I just think there is too much confusion in society today. People are trying to fight nature and biological makeup. Until males are born with the natural ability to get impregnated and produce milk for their babies, or until women can produce sperm to fertilize an egg, we as humans must come to terms with the fact that males and females ARE different. We are equal in social rights and so forth, but society really doesn't want men and women to have equality in every aspect. If you disagree, you've obviously haven't been to divorce court and witnessed how women are given much more leeway when it comes to custody and alimony, or taken into account society's view point of domestic violence against women. Second, from the moment a baby is born in most hospitals I've been to in America, and I have 4 children, they wrap girls in pink and boys in blue to identify gender. In fact, I am beginning to wonder if parents will in the future be allowed to know the gender of their baby, or if the doctor will just say it's a baby, and when it's older the baby will tell us what it identifies with.

    How a parent guides and teaches their children in their raising, for the most part is up to them. As with most decisions, you can choose to be different all you wish, but society does not have an obligation to accept and adapt to your personal choices.
     
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    True differences should be honored and cherished as they make us unique. I just think there is a big gap between differences that actually exist and those that are artificially imposed. And we may never agree on this, but I think the confusion doesn't stem from a weakening of gender restrictions as much as a natural progression away from restrictive systems causing friction with established historical roles.

    If no one was there to call my son "Strange" if he dresses up as Rey, there would be no confusion. He'd just be dressing up as his favorite character. The confusion only comes in when someone labels that behavior as inappropriate.
     
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    http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/10/pink-used-common-color-boys-blue-girls/

    Less than 100 years ago, society perceived color pink to be for boys and blue for girls, not the way we do today. Pink/Girls - Blue/Boys thing started around WWII when basically a bunch of fabricants decided that pink is for girls.

    It just proves that gender identification by color is a fickle thing - changes as society changes. In 50 more years, boys could be wearing orange with green dots.

    Basically, all of this.
     
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    Males actually can produce milk.
     
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    That would explain all the breast pumps for men
     
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    That is totally different thing.
    But fact is, males are biologically capable producing milk.
    All males have mammary glands.

     
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    Question: Would you be against films that are geared solely to men or women? Or no such things should exist as films should always be made to appeal to everyone?
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    That is why I feel left out of this new world.

    I'm not some right-wing traditionalist but also, I am not an ultra left-wing that says anybody can be anything.

    They key to life is balance.

    We should acknowledge we are different, but because of that difference we should not put down or harm one another.

    It's like the fact is MOST women are not fans of Star Wars, or Predator, or Rambo, or Commando.

    MOST men are not fans of Twilight or Hunger Games, or Pitch Perfect.

    There are things about women that us men will never understand, and things about women, men will never understand.
     
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    I actually said above, I have no problem with those existing in my comments about Commando. I just find their quality lacking in comparison to movies that contain aspects of both perspectives. There is a lack of depth in films that attempt to appeal to both that makes them feel hollow and empty to me. Fun while you are watching, but not the kind of movie you buy and watch over and over.

    I would be upset if a Star Wars movie ever did that though, as I don't think its in Star Wars DNA to be a one or the other property.
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    I find a lot of men like Hunger Games and Pitch Perfect. I enjoy both quite a bit. And I find Star Wars appeals equally to men and women. You other examples are valid though. And I find those to be lesser films than the ones that appeal to both genders.
     
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    MOST men aren't either.
     
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