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Whither Rey's TFA Force Vision?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by HAL'sgal, Dec 21, 2017.

  1. HAL'sgal

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    I re-watched TFA last night and wondered about parts of Rey's Force Vision. I noticed three things:

    1. It seems like we've now seen most of these come to pass, with one exception- where she faces off with what looks like Kylo and the Knights of Ren. Will we see this scene in IX? If so, how? Kylo looks younger there, like this was in the past.

    2. Interestingly, one of the visions is fulfilled in TLJ- where Luke puts his hand on R2D2 while they are viewing the destruction Kylo wrought on Luke's academy (in Luke's flashback as he relates the events to Rey). So that was neat to see.

    3. Also the vision flashback to Rey as a little girl is also not quite right- her parents leave Jakku, they're not buried in pauper's graves there. Does that mean anything? Is Kylo just guessing when he says the graves are where they ended up?
     
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    Did they leave the planet? Or just flew to the next town over to get drunk?
     
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    1. Unfortunately, probably never. Though I think there's a chance that she was just observing something Kylo/The Knights of Ren have done in the past, keep in mind in the original planned force vision, she was going to see things that she obviously could never have been a part of.

    2. Very neat indeed.

    3. I've seen a lot of hoopla about this, to me it's really nothing. They could've just been flying to another part of the planet or off the planet and then later they come back, I don't think it's worth reading too far into it.
     
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    It didn't look like a surface transport to me, granted I don't know the curvature of Jakku, but the trajectory looked pretty steep. Plus, there's the cost of travel. Why waste good booze money on that?
     
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    The Forceback Scene was shot when Rian Johnson had barely begun to write his story. I would not try to find too many connections there, at least not intended ones. Scenes like the spaceship leaving were create when JJ set up his mystery box and I don't think the spaceship will be adressed anymore in the future. As for the scene with Knights of Ren and this guy getting stabbed... If I remember correctly there was a story how some junkers found Anakin's saber in the beginning of the movie and one of them was murdered by Kylo. So the knigths of Ren scene should have been at the beginning of VII but it was cut. I don*t know whether they plan on explaining the Knights of Ren. That probably depends on JJ. maybe he is working them into the plot of IX as I am writing this :)
     
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    Regarding the parents- I just get the feeling she thought they were gone gone. Off-the-planet gone. Otherwise, wouldn't she be looking all over Jakku for them? She is really good with spaceships, she could have taken one. Hotwiring the Falcon was pretty easy for her.

    But yeah, most likely it's just a little plot point fallen through the cracks.
     
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    One thing to remember... this force vision thing was one of the last pieces of the movie put together. It changed a lot from when production started. The Last Jedi had already started filming before this was finished.

    This is one part of The Force Awakens where I think JJ dropped the ball. The original idea for the force back was to show the history of the OT, but that got thrown out. JJ could end up using the Knights of Ren in the rain stuff for the last film. Perhaps that will be the final confrontation.
     
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    Inconsistencies everywhere in this new trilogy that will probably never be addressed.
    We are led to believe the shuttle leaving Jakku is the last thing Rey remembers about her parents.
    So how did Kylo knew:
    They're dead in a paupers'
    grave in the Jakku desert.
    Perhaps Rey later discovered her parents grave and repressed that memory? Or the more simple explanation is simply bad writing.
     
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    Keep in mind, the little "city" where Rey lives on Jakku is awfully small and incredibly desolate, just look at how far Finn has to walk to get there, and once we get that shot over the cliff, we can see that there's nothing else but sand as far as the eye can see. Traveling by ship doesn't seem too farfetched in my opinion, especially if they go to the entire opposite end of the planet.
     
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    Hmm. That's very interesting. Putting together the Force vision together later means that it should be more consistent with subsequent films. Maybe you're right about that final confrontation. But then why not tweak the dialogue in TLJ so that Kylo suggests the parents are buried in paupers graves on some unknown planet? That would be more consistent with the vision, and Rey's behavior on Jakku.
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    Air travel is expensive. In my line of work I run in to alcoholics from time to time and they go by bus. ;)
     
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    But they had to get as far away from Rey as they possibly could... (while still remaining on the same planet... lol?) yeah there obviously are inconsistencies but if you want to get as far away from someone as quickly as possible, a ship is your best bet as opposed to say a land speeder. Also the cost thing is a factor I guess but going from one side of the planet to another is obviously cheaper than trekking through space to find a new planet... also... and obviously I'm just shooting from the hip here but if Rey's parents are just drunken losers, perhaps they had no knowledge of nearby planets or how to travel to them.
     
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    If Rey is a nobody, why did Obi-Wan called her in that force vision? Maybe he sensed that she has the biggest force potential besides Kylo Ren.
    That left me puzzled, if she really is nobody, why did Luke's lightsaber called her? Why did Obi-Wan spoke to her?
    I mean, if you look it that way then lightsaber will call anybody who has potential :)
     
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    Might be worth consider king his Ben’s flashback of Luke in the hut was different to when Luke describes it. They weren’t technically Force visions but they represent what was in each persons head. What I’m getting at is Rey’s vision might not have been exactly that but it was a representation of what happened, playing out for maximum emotive affect. The point being made that she was abandoned with Plutt as she watched her parents leave.

    I imagine, given Rey’s actual knowledge of her parents that Ren sees within her, that she saw what really happened - but blanked that out. Instead she went with just the part of seeing her folks leave on a ship so the narrative of them making a mistake by leaving her couldn’t be challenged in her mind.

    Essentially, Force visions are vague and mysterious and cannot be taken factually - or indeed signify plot holes.
     
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    She’s a nobody in a sense that she comes from nothing. She has no bloodline or family. Her parents were just junk traders. Rey herself has no identity to speak of. We don’t even know her birth name,

    That being said, she’s Somebody now. The force called to her for a reason. She has always been force sensitive but never knew it, then it awakens inside her because the force is counter balancing the evil rising. She’s also the perfect candidate for a Jedi. She has no attachments, she’s focus, determined, disciplined, and a survivor. She has compassion for BB-8 when she rescues him. She’s got all the attributes to make a great Jedi.

    Obi-Wan is part of the force. He’s speaking to her through her vision and telling her “these are the first steps”. It’s all to set her up for her journey, The saber is just the tool the force used. Do you think it was an accident that the Falcon was on Jakku which led to Han which led to Maz which led to the saber? Nope, that’s called the force. We saw the same thing when two droids found their way to Luke’s on Tatooine.
     
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    I agree they can't be taken literally- just like with ordinary memories, which are what we think we remember, not always what we really experienced. The more often people recall a memory, the more it is changed or embellished. Rey could certainly have done a lot of that. But what about making up something out of whole cloth- the memory of Kylo and the Knights of Ren? I guess we'll just have to see how that plays out.

    There is another memory or vision of hers that is very similar, but we've never seen it, only heard about it- when Kylo is probing her mind that first time and sees the island, and the water. In TLJ Rey says she feels as if she's been to Ach'to before. What is that? Has she really been there? That is a very unusual vision- it's even more unlikely she has been there, than her having seen Kylo & his Knights.

    But both are visions of things that may never have happened in the past, yet somehow she knows of them.
     
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    Not all of the Forceback was Rey’s memories. Only the part where she sees her parents leaving was a memory. The Force was showing her things. She wasn’t in Cloud City during ESB. The Force was showing her that. She wasn’t at the Jedi temple When Ben turned. The Force was showing her that. Give me the nature of the Firceback, she wasn’t at the place with Kylo and the KOR in the rain scene. The Force was showing her this scene. The Force was showing her her future when she sees Kylo in the snow.

    I think one of the biggest misconceptions about the Forceback is the thought that Rey is actually in the scene with the KOR when she is not.
     
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    Episode 9 should hopefully answer these questions and more.
     
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    Luke to R2 RE Dagobah: It's like something out of a dream...Still there's something familiar about this place.

    Yoda to Luke RE visions: Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future. The past…

    We were given the answer back in 1980. Rey had visions of Ach’to through the Force, but didn’t know what they were at the time. Just like Luke and Dagobah. No mystery here.
     
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    1- Through the Force visions you will the past, the present, the future, friends long gone. In the Forceback we somethings from the past some from the future. So it could be that like the ESB hallway from Cloud City the rainy night where the KOR are causing trouble is in the past. But if it is from the future Kylo puts his helmet back on which I don't think will happen. So I think most likely it shows simply the brutality of Kylo.

    2- Completely

    3- The answer most in keeping with what has been revealed is that they left town. Nima Outpost had little going. Perhaps the went to where there might be slightly more going.
     
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