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SPECULATION Who are the Guardians of the Whills and what will be their future role in SW?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Star Dude, Dec 9, 2016.

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    This! Very intriguing thought that may explain Snoke in Ep VIII or later. We don't hear much about the Whills but I'd certainly like to learn more!
     
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    Nailed it :D

    Wonder wether there are any left now.
    The force tells me they will play a role in events to come.
     
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    nice research and I would have loved to hear more about the Whills in R1 and see more from Jedha, especially the temple interior. But great discussion and I also wonder if it plays a role for VIII. ;)
     
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    The Guardians Of The Whills are basically the same type of people as those fez wearing guys from 'Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade', except they don't wear a fez.
    ;)

     
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    I'm glad we found out there role as kyber crystal protectors.
     
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    Thanks for the article link. I think the most interesting thing in that article is this:

    Fascinatingly, in an interview with ScreenRant actor Donnie Yen reveals he still can't discuss the history and backstory of his character - or even the reason for his blindness!

    I see how information around this subject can make its way into VIII but what about a stand alone Obi-Wan movie?
     
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    Rolling with the idea that the Whills may not necessarily be a species or a group, what else could the 'Whills' be? Could they be physical items, like a series of scrolls that contain teachings on the force? Laws of the universe and how the force plays a part in it? Like, a literal force bible of sorts? Turning the original concept on it's head, making the Whills terms for the journals themselves.

    Or perhaps a Whill is a title given to someone who transcends the Jedi and Sith teachings and achieves the highest level of force enlightenment? Like a level of gray force user higher than Sith or Jedi. Perhaps that is what Luke is trying to learn in 7 and 8, how to transcend and become a Whill. You know, sorta like a high priest or a jedi super saiyan...lol.

    Personally, I'm hoping they are what we expect / want them to be - an ancient alien race with special connection to the force. But it's fun to speculate. This was definitely my favorite part of the world building in Rogue One. I hope it ties into 8 somehow!
     
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    I know this was kind of tongue-in cheek, but I like the idea.

    In OT, we learn that the Jedi are gone, and they are somewhat romanticized.
    In PT and The Clone Wars, we see that the Jedi weren't as squeaky clean or noble as one might have thought.
    In ST, we see that Luke's attempts at bringing the Jedi back have failed.

    Maybe the path of the grey Jedi (which Luke may well be on now) is truly the best path. It's the sort of Yin Yang philosophy that makes most sense with the Force and the teachings that the Jedi say they adhere to.
     
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    Yeah, it does seem like following the path that embraces both darkness and light is the only logical way to become something greater than a jedi or a sith. Both sides are based around resisting the temptation of dark or light completely. While this accomplishes the end goals of the jedi and the sith, it is not true mastery of one's temptations. For instance, if you are addicted to something in real life and you conquer this addiction by denying yourself of it completely, you haven't actually mastered the core conflict, you've only found a way to prevent yourself from attaining it. A gray jedi would have to reach the highest levels of self control in order to use both the dark and light side in moderation.

    Here's another thought that popped in my head...what if the Whills are force ghosts?
     
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    From the novelization, don't click if you don't want some (I think) light spoilers:

    [Document #JP0103 (“Sunset Prayer of the Guardians of the Whills”), recovered from the outskirts of NiJedha; provenance uncertain.]

    In darkness, cold.
    In light, cold.
    The old sun brings no heat.
    But there is heat in breath and life.
    In life, there is the Force.
    In the Force, there is life.
    And the Force is eternal.

    [Document #DN4624 (“Faith and the Force of Others”), fragment excerpted from the archives of the Order of the Esoteric Pulsar; author unknown.]

    What is the Force of Others? To ask this, you must ask one question and a thousand.

    To a cultist of the Huiyui-Tni, you must ask, “What is the exhalation of the true, amphibious god?” To a Jedi, you must ask, “What is it that binds and defines all life?” To a child of the Esoteric Pulsar, you must ask, “Show me the secret pages of the Book of Stars.” To a faithless man, you must ask, “What power enables prophecy and sorcery in a world controlled by logic and law?”

    These thousand questions will garner a thousand answers, all pointing toward the same truth.

    Now ask, “Where is the Force of Others?” and one answer becomes inevitable: the kind and cold moon of Jedha. For a thousand faiths see truth in Jedha’s mysteries, no matter that their stories differ; no matter that not one history of the Temple of the Kyber can explain each brick in its foundation, or that our legends entwine and part in paradox.

    I ask you to believe that Jedha is a nexus for faith, life, and the Force of Others in all their forms. If the Force can be embodied in a vision or a living creature, why not a place? Or why not an idea? Why can pilgrimage not be Jedha, and Jedha not be the Force?

    I ask you to believe this not because it is true, but because it is a beginning.

    Imagine these things and you must conclude that every visit to Jedha is a pilgrimage—that every visit to Jedha is an expression of faith and a search for truth, intended or not. When a thief comes to Jedha to prey upon the vendors in the markets, she does so in accordance with her nature; she will trick and lie and steal, and if she does not trick or lie or steal then her faith and nature are altogether different.

    You say, “Why a thief? Why such a cynical conjecture?” To which I say, “Do you not wonder why the Guardians of the Whills protect their temple so? Why the Jedi carry their cruel swords of light, even here?” It is because our pilgrimages are in accordance with our faiths, and faith can bring terrible conflict. A thief is but the kindest example I can offer.

    Jedha does not give answers to those who do not know what answers they seek. Jedha does not bring into harmony those things that cannot harmonize. Jedha does not express faith and the Force through its pilgrims; pilgrims express faith and the Force through Jedha.

    Pilgrims express faith and the Force through life.

    For what is life but pilgrimage? And what is life but conflict?

    There have been worlds and tyrants who have tried to prevent their people from journeying to Jedha. But such a thing cannot be stopped. Living beings will always find their way to the kind and cold moon, as they always have. Through the Force and Jedha, they will act as they must, for good and ill.

    And we will know them by their actions there.
     
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    Hopefully the Whills weren't only located in that temple on Jehda!
     
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    Thanks for those! Awesome! I'm sure Luke has learned something of the Whills in his self imposed exile and temple journeys. It's hard to even speculate what that could be but you guys are doing a great job of it :)
     
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    I was reading something about George Lucas wanting to tell the story of Star Wars as if it was through the eyes of the Whills. Which I thought was a pretty awesome way to go about it.
     
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    One of the many, many things I've loved about Star Wars since the beginning was the mystery that surrounded some of the lore and characters. I would love to have information about the Whills slowly trickle down through the movies, books, and comics over the next few years. It would keep our imaginations running and give us great topics to mull around and discuss for years to come. I find this very exciting and fresh. Way to go bringing this into the next round of Star Wars lore!!
     
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    Yes the Guardians of the Whills. Luke's Jedi order is dead, Rey is his apprentice. At the end of episode IX, the Guardians choose to fight. Something like that.
     
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    I'm thinking there could be a stand alone Guardian of the Whills film showing how he went blind, etc...
     
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    Even the name or title itself suggests a deserved mystery. The Whills. So much better as it is then it would be if it we're explained away and made fully transparent and everyday star wars in the know. Take for example Yoda. It was cool when he force pulled his saber from his belt in AOTC, but IMO it stripped his character of it's mystery. I was better off imagining Yoda as a warrior in his hey day than I was ever seeing it on screen. The screen depiction of Yoda in battle with his saber never matched up with my imagination.
     
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    This is a GREAT thread @Star Dude .WOW....This is a topic I NEVER know about.Now i'm thinking if the guardians are watching and taking care of the cristals is for something more important.Jyn Erso father Know the POWER of those cristals and use it for the DS.Is like Jyn father in someway is a jedi or a guardian too BUT he use the POWER of the cristals to the dark side for the empire BUT he see that he made a mistake and want to fix it.When the movie of R1 starts director Krennic want to finish the death star BUT looks that Jyn father run away and didn't finish it.Jyn mother give little Jyn a cristal neckless when they was running away from director Krennic.Remember that Chirrut feel the presence of Jyn neckless in the movie.I think that the guardians of the Whills are a protector and works with the FORCE.Is my feeling and YES MAYBE this a HINT for EP.VIII.Remember my friends..... there are things that we start to understand MORE better of SW going back and forward on the movies.Will keep a eye on this thread.Maybe others friends here HIT the path to the correct direction....:).
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    Good point about Chirrut and the necklace :)
     
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