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Who does the movie title refer to?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Darth Walt, Apr 12, 2019.

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The movie title refers to...?

  1. Luke Skywalker

    24 vote(s)
    15.6%
  2. Leia Skywalker

    1 vote(s)
    0.6%
  3. Anakin Skywalker

    25 vote(s)
    16.2%
  4. Shmi Skywalker

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    1.3%
  5. Rey Skywalker

    47 vote(s)
    30.5%
  6. Ben Skywalker

    38 vote(s)
    24.7%
  7. Another Skywalker

    17 vote(s)
    11.0%
  1. Andrew Waples

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    I've read it meant Skywalker Resurrection. However, rebirth and resurrection are pretty much the same thing.
     
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    I can confirm that the Polish translation is horrible. :p Literally two words with no grammatical structure - "Skywalker rebirth", not even "The Rebirth of Skywalker". "The Rise of Skywalker" was extremely tricky to translate, but man - they just surrendered. And as hard as they tried to stay vague with it, I still think "resurrection/rebirth" might be a miss, since "rise" could refer to "development" in this case.
     
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    In french, it is translated as the ascent of Skywalker( which is how I got the Rise too ).

    L'ascension de Skywalker.
     
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    Hi All,

    I don't know if mentioned already, but some foreign titles of TROS have been revealed. In German : Der Aufstieg Skywalkers - which is a singular Skywalker rising. As I gather, other languages have similar titles. One outlier in my location in Hungary is the Hungarian title: Skywalker kora - meaning: (The) Age of (the) Skywalker, again a singular reference in Hungarian. Maybe some speakers of other languages can give more insight on the title in their languages.
    Just some more fuel for the discussion.
     
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    What do you use as reference for the titles in other languages?

    On Wiki, in Brazil you have "Star Wars: Episódio IX – A Ascensão Skywalker"; while in Portugal it is "Star Wars: Episódio IX – A Ascensão de Skywalker".

    Translating to English both mean more or less the same "The Skywalker Rise/Ascend", more than "The Rise of Skywalker". In Brazil it seems more plural, in the sense that "The Skywalker" rise, and not "The Skywalker" rises, while in Portugal it's left ambiguous.
     
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    Where's the option of Lars yelling at young Luke "Rise and shine sleepy head, you gotta do your chores before you can go and play with your friends!"

    Honestly though, I think Luke's going to do something amazing as a ghost or half ghost or something. I think JJ will use Yoda's affecting the world to have meaning in TROS.
     
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    Hah, I immediately thought of this from the old Marvel comics...

    PicsArt_04-29-10.28.24.jpg

    "So, it was all a dream..."

    *roll credits*
     
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    Im not sure but he'd better have those units in the South Ridge repaired by midday, or there'll be hell to pay.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the Hungarian translation holds the key to the meaning of the title. The Hungarian title translates to "age of Skywalker". I think the rise of Skywalker refers to the legend of Luke Skywalker spreading like wildfire through the Galaxy. Basically Luke has become the spark of hope he was always meant to be. Just a guess
     
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    The Rise of Skywalker does not refer to any individual in the poll. It refers to all of them. They all "rise" to defeat Sidious for good.
     
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    I like to think that it refers to the House of Skywalker or the Skywalker family. Its about their rise to prominence.
     
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    I am leaning towards Anakin now. The story has always been about Anakin. Anakin is the chosen one, he will be responsible for the defeat of the ultimate evil, palpatine.
     
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    Didn't we read into the french translation of "The Last Jedi" to mean plural only to have someone from LF, I think Pablo say that it was about Luke?
     
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    Hey, english spokers, I have a little question.
    (as some know, I'm french, and you know here down in my country, we learn foreign languages only to know how to say "Mademoiselle vous êtes très jolie")

    Is there a difference between "THE RISE OF SKYWALKER" and "THE SKYWALKER'S RISE" ?

    When I was at school, they told me, in order to speak about "a person who possesses something", to use the form PERSON's THING : one should say Luke's saber instead of The saber of Luke.

    So I am wondering : is there a subtle meaning as the title uses (to me) a mistaken form : should not the rise of Skywalker be said Skywalker's rise ?
    Or, per contra, are both forms actually valid and I am wondering for void ?

    thank you all ;)
     
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    I'm not an native speaker, but I can still try to explain it to you I guess...

    An English teacher once said that you use 's to establish a relationship of possession, but when you use of it doesn’t necessarily mean there is a relationship.

    But maybe someone else can explain it better. Haha!
     
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    In Portuguese its the same than in French. Much Better than the translation of The Last Jedi, they left in plural in Brazil (that's sucks) "Os Ultimos Jedi".
     
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    native english speaker with a degree in such.

    it means the same thing, basically.
    the first is a passive construction typically used more poetically/stylistically.
    the second is an active construction, more direct.

    the only difference is the potentially less unambiguous singular possessive in "The Skywalker's Rise"
    but as far as action is concerned, there's virtually no difference.
    it could be a physical action or a spiritual one (or intended as both).
     
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    @daRinze, one difference you are introducing in your initial question (is there a difference between 'The Rise of Skywalker" and "the Skywalker's Rise"?) is the article "the"... Using "the" with "the Skywalker's Rise" means you are referring to a specific singular Skywalker...

    Your second question is a better comparison: should not "the rise of Skywalker" be said "Skywalker's rise"? It could be worded that way, but it was worded with the preposition "of" probably for a number of reasons, including

    1. it matches Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith in structure, and

    2. it leaves it ambiguous whether "Skywalker" is singular (one specific, singular Skywalker person) or plural/collective (a group of people or a family named "Skywalker"), and

    3. it leaves it ambiguous whether the rise is a possession of "Skywalker," or the rise is something "Skywalker" does, or the rise is something done to something/someone else by "Skywalker." There might even be more meanings I haven't thought of.

    In any case, this structure has more possibilities for nuance of meaning than "Skywalker's Rise."

     
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    thank you all for your answers, especially @FN-3263827 and @Choose Light as you expressed some little nuances I wasn't fully aware. [​IMG]
     
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    New theory. Kylo stole the jedi texts from Rey and is doing some research on how to bring back darth vader whom he believes inhabits the burned vader mask. While he is performing this feat, he is visited by force ghost Anakin who explains that Luke was right about his redemption and the entity in the mask is really darth sidious. Having been deceived and now horrified at what he's released, he joins with Rey, helps to resurrect Luke and the 3 of them defeat the emperor. Thus it is Luke that Rises and is the subject of the title.
     
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