Who does the movie title refer to?

Well, you didn't read my post correctly then. : P Yes, he's already dead, but Luke can still appear as a force ghost and help future generations. But with "Force Reanimation" he loses that ability and is gone forever (or has finally found peace). Personally I think this would be a satisfying ending for Luke Skywalker.

But my point is: the title would refer to both - Ben and Luke - then. Ben RISEs from the dead and SKYWALKER RISEs to "heaven". Or something like that.

 

But isn't the whole point of a Force ghost is that you're already at peace and thus you "live on" forever? I mean, Yoda calls it "forever sleep, earned it I have."

 

Pretty much most fans are saying ‘The Rise of Skywalker’ means the name (symbolic) of a new Jedi Order that will replace the Jedi/Sith.

When was the last time the fanbase were unanimously correct about speculation regarding something so big in an upcoming movie? I wonder if it’s too obvious that they are misleading us? Just throwing out there.

 

The only time I could think of is the title of Revenge of the Sith being right.

 

There, fixed it for you

Yeah, I've probably forgotten a few...

And, for what it's worth, a Force Ghost giving up his ghostliness to reanimate someone sounds like a bit of a stretch? Transferring your life-force for another, sure, but giving your Force-ghostliness to someone so that they can live? Hm... sounds contra intuitive to me

PS: Sorry, but I was bored.

 

I totally disagree with this. I don't feel that the fandom is united on this, and if they are, I'm pretty sure they are wrong. I feel fairly certain that there will not be a new Jedi Order called Skywalkers. It's a bad marketing choice to change the name of the good guys that has lasted 40 years. It's like Chevrolet changing their name to Bill's Automotive after 100 or so years.

I'm starting to lean towards the Last Skywalker rising up to defeat Palpy once and for all. Ben Solo is the last living Skywalker, unless we find out that Rey really is a Skywalker, which I don't think she will be.

 

This is an interesting point. I heard the same analogy on a podcast from someone who agrees with you. He said it would be the same as McDonalds changing the name of the BigMac as that name is synonymous with their brand.

I’m glad you think differently as it shows the fanbase isn’t as united as I thought. My first initial reaction was Luke rising from the dead, but that’s probably a real long shot.

 

I do think Rey has to be referenced in the title. Both other films were about her.

The Force Awakens - Rey
The Last Jedi - Luke and Rey

My initial thinking is Luke returns in some form (he was never said to be dead, just "gone") AND somehow Rey takes the name Skywalker, either as her name or a title.

 

I heard that podcast too and the guy had a very good point. It was also suggested in that podcast that Skywalker could be used in a “I am Spartacus” situation, which i thought was quite interesting... Skywalker in this sense would mean our heroes uniting in freedom and solidarity identifying all as”Skywalker”... and considering that in the VF article JJ and the cast mentioned the themes of freedom and friendship they could be onto something...

I’m for Kylo’s redemption but suddenly giving him all the onus of the title seems to me somewhat undemocratic...

 

Do we get a John Williams take on "staying alive" in that scene?

Nitpicking: Probably forcelightning is just a sophisticated way of moving pretty small objects called electrons.

Or becomes one with the spirit of Ben so his "see you around kid" will become more real than Kylo could've ever imagined. Haunted by his uncle forever.

--- Double Post Merged, May 28, 2019, Original Post Date: May 28, 2019 ---

If you think about it even mind control is about moving electrons in someone else's brain. Actually it's all about moving things (light, atoms, electrons).
Rey was right. It boils down to moving rocks...

 

I don't agree with this either.

Yes, it makes a certain kind of sense... but it just feels all sorts of wrong on many levels. First among them, I don't think calling someone a Skywalker is catchy... like, at all. Two, Jedi are known throughout the galaxy for generations... how long would it take for "Skywalkers" to get that notoriety? I can just imagine the wasted conversations...

Saved Victim (SV)"Thanks Jedi, for saving my life!"

Hero (H)"I'm a Skywalker."

SV "You're related to Luke?"

H"No, Skywalkers are like Jedi but we follow different ideas."

SV"So you don't find dark forces users and Sith?"

H"Well, actually we do, but in a more passive way if we can."

SV "Isn't that what Jedi's were supposed to do before they lost their way a bit after being drawn into a war?"

H "Yes, but Skywalkers are returning to the Jedi roots before the clone wars screwed them up."

SV "Then why don't you just keep calling yourself Jedi's and just do it right moving forward?"

H"Because Luke died and we wanted to honor him."

SV "Would Luke want to be honored this way? Is that Jedi like, doesn't that speak to ego."

H"No, Luke never asked for this, but we feel he deserves it."

SV "So you're honoring him even if he wouldn't approve?"

H "That's not clear, his actions transcend his wishes."

SV "So his wishes don't matter, the fact that he identified as a Jedi doesn't matter, it's what you new force users want that matters?"

H "Look, I'm tired of explaining all this, to be honest I don't understand it... so Blast, yes, we're just Jedi, we just wanted to keep the Skywalker name but yes it sucks by doing so we lose the more wide spread Jedi name. I just work here, go talk to our PR experts, here's their information (hands the person a card that all Skywalker's have to carry for the next several generations)."

Yes, I get that this conversation would never take place, it would get interrupted by "Finn's" shooting and missing them in their white armor. Or they'd have to avoid "Fett's" trying to track them down in their jetpacks. But they would have to address it to a certain point because I doubt it would be made crystal clear after IX, and even if it was, IX will have far less viewers than the past 8 saga movies combined, so many SW fans wouldn't know about it and thus it would need explaining.

In other words, taking RJ's cards... your Skywalker theories suck lol

At the very most, Jedi becomes a branch under the umbrella of Jedi. There were Consular and Guardians (which I don't think ever caught on), now add Skywalkers. Think Jesuits in the Catholic hierarchy. It would just be a different way to study the force, but with similar goals. Or another denomination of "Christian". They'd have to be able to identify as Jedi first because there's weight behind that, while Skywalker would offer all sorts of confusion spanning 1000 generations lol.... that would be their legacy haha.

It could also be like the name of a school, a prestige. "I was trained as a Jedi, by the Skywalker set of ideas, by Rey herself who learned from him first hand." ... so more like saying you got a degree from Yale or Harvard. That however would kind of suck, because it would give the audience the impression of elitism and privilege within the Jedi order.

Like I said, it makes a certain sense, but it doesn't seem to work in a practical sense.

 

The question of the grammar would not be addressed though: we would say the rise of the jesuits not the rise of Jesuit...

So the “I am Spartacus” theory is better in that sense. Also, why would the Skywalker name need to be connected to the force or the Jedi so strongly? Wouldn’t it make more sense Skywalker being the spirit of the oppressed, force sensitive or not, rising? Wouldn’t the “I am Skywalker” idea not only respect the grammar of the title but also suggest the idea that everyone can be like Luke and declare “I fight for freedom but I forgive too”?

 

I agree, which is why I believe Skywalker is more singular and not a movement or new Jedi Order. It's either specific to Luke, Ben or a twist with Rey (I'd include Leia, but doubt they have to footage for that ). I don't believe the title is "bad", but I do believe it has created a lot of expectations and I hope fans keep an open mind. It would certainly suck if IX become like season 8 of GoT. That would be the death knell for the ST if that happened.

 

I don’t want to be mean but these fandoms are becoming more and more like Annie Wilkes in Stephen King’s Misery...

 

Darkness rises.... an light to meet it.

This is, to me, the actual meaning of the Rise of Skywalker : when the situation is no more balanced and starts falling to a side, the Force reacts and creates a counter-part.

When Sidious and Palpatine rose from the Evil after a millenium of peace, the Force created Anakin.
When Sidious and Vader were terrorizing the Galaxy, Luke rose.
When the First Order was about to impose a Dark Leader, Rey was found.

This is to me the rise of Skywalker.

 

Just from a marketing stand point, it doesn’t obey much common sense to rebrand a highly identifiable component of your property. That would be like renaming ‘the Force’.

“Yeah, we’re gonna start calling it ‘the Fetch’ now.” Stop trying to make ‘fetch’ happen - I think is what I’m saying

 

But it's not really an apples/apples comparison either. The word "Skywalker" is probably just as, if not more, identifiable as specifically Star Wars as "Jedi" is.

 

Sure. You could also conceivably call a new order of mystical good guys ‘Lightsabers’ for that matter. Makes sense from a certain point of view. But you’re really just needlessly jumbling things up - conflating two things that your consumer base already understands as different things. I’m not sure what that gets you.

Internally, it would also be rather in conflict with Luke’s own sentiment on the matter: “I will not be the last Jedi.” Um . . . actually - y’kinda are

May the Fetch be with you, always.

 

I mean there are whole swaths of GoT fans who think the mythical sword of lightbringer is actual Jon Snow himself. Or was Rhagaer Targaryen, well his penis at least.

So it's not the most out there thing

 

You mean Rhagaer's penis? Good. Better keep that fella under wraps