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Who does the movie title refer to?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Darth Walt, Apr 12, 2019.

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The movie title refers to...?

  1. Luke Skywalker

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  2. Leia Skywalker

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  3. Anakin Skywalker

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    16.6%
  4. Shmi Skywalker

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  5. Rey Skywalker

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  6. Ben Skywalker

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  7. Another Skywalker

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  1. RoyleRancor

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    Well he was a Targ so....probably not
     
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    Don't over think it. Luke will be back in some form other than a Force ghost. Nobody ever said he was dead.
     
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    Luke is dead. Rey and Leia said it in the movie. TLJ novel also says so and RJ/Mark Hamill confirmed it in interviews and on Twitter.

    But you're right about the fact that people shouldn't overthink the title. The most obvious thing is most often the right thing => TROS refers to Ben Solo.
     
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    Most if not all the SW titles have been blunt and to the point.
     
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    Inspired by the great new thread on chiasmus by @Jayson I'm going to over think the title.

    So expecting IX to connect and answer in some ways to III, we have this:
    "Lord Vader Rise" in III answered by the title of IX The Rise of Skywalker.
    So in III we have one Skywalker (former Jedi) rise as a sith (Skywalker -> Vader), answered by Kylo Ren (sort of a sith, but not exactly) rising as Jedi (sort of a Skywalker (by blood), but not exactly (by name)).
    So over thinking leads me to the same result as going with the obvious does.
     
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    I'm going to say NO to that. The most obvious Skywalker to Rise would actually have the name Skywalker. Not some bloodline reference to Ben Solo.
     
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    But Ben Solo is the only Skywalker left who can rise. Either as a Jedi, Sith (Emperor) or from the dead. It's probably the later. Kylo Ren dies and gets resurrected by force as Ben Solo. => The Rise Of Skywalker
     
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    If it's so clearly about Ben, why not name it The Rise of Solo?
     
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    While I think Solo is redeemed, my guess now is that it refers to Luke.

    I think Luke comes back in the physical form, like Ben in early drafts of ROTJ.

    The biggest reason that I think this, is that JJ loves to recycle ideas.

    JJ also likes to be liked. He loves to do fan service. This is his chance to give Luke a better ending than TLJ did and be a hero to fans and Mark Hamill.

    Plus, the entire ST has been about the myth of Luke Skywalker when you think about it. I think he comes back, helps defeat Palps for good (Rey and Ben probably defeat the KOR, then need Luke's help to defeat Palps, Solo dies)...then maybe Luke goes to live on the old family farm while Rey starts the new order.

    Meh I'm actually not sold on that last part, but I do think JJ is going to recycle the resurrection idea for Luke.
     
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    Because it's called the"Skywalker Saga" and not the "Solo Saga". Furthermore it would be a pretty big spoiler.
     
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    and what about the "fans" like myself that think that Luke had a wonderful & heroic ending in TLJ?

    JJ & Kasdan put Luke on that Island. JJ & Kasdan made Luke into a hermit that walked away from it all.
    i hope that JJ will be a hero and finish what he & Kasdan started, and i hope that the terms 'fix' and 'fan service' were never in his conversations with Chris Terrio.

    Luke fell.. it was only for a moment, but he fell.. like we all do in life.
    He got back up and he made a difference. he performed the greatest feat using the force that we have ever seen in the movies.. and he gave his life doing it.
    the scene at the end of TLJ with the children acting out what Luke Skywalker did on crait... the boy holding the broom up like a lightsaber..
    Luke gave the entire galaxy hope. no Jedi has ever or will ever do anything bigger than that.


    to get back onto some form of topic after that mini-rant lol (apologies @Unseen but i'm as passionate about SW as you are ;) )...
    i believe that the title may be specifically about Ben... AND also metaphorical in terms of Luke, Leia and Anakin - and their rise during the saga.
     
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    A New Skywalker as replacement for the A New Hope title doesn't work. Hope adds a little mystery/intrigue as to what the Hope means. Even though it's obvious it's about Luke and Leia. Same principal for The Rise of Skywalker.
     
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    Nowhere is it called The Skywalker Saga. That’s a recent term coined by Disney. And it doesn’t answer the question either.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 7, 2019, Original Post Date: Jun 7, 2019 ---
    Not a fair comparison at all. I’m simply replacing the name in the title with the correct one. If it’s clearly about Ben Solo rising/returning, it could be called The Rise of Solo. That’s why I fully believe this title will reference someone else, an actual person with the name Skywalker.

    The Rise of Skywalker would be a better title for Return of the Jedi, as it was Anakin Skywalker rising (along with his son).

    Lastly, leaving Rey out of this titles meaning when she’s been the main focus in the previous films titles would be really curious. This is her story more than Kylos.
     
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    What? It's to describe the well whole Saga. If anything titles are come up by Lucasfilms themselves. If anything, Disney just approves it/publishes their content.
     
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    Star Wars is owned by Disney. Disney is calling it the Skywalker Saga in their marketing. It's the Skywalker Saga. End of story.

    TFA => Rey
    TLJ => Luke (confirmed by RJ)
    TROS => ???

    There is only Kylo left.

    I disagree. It's at least equally his story. Furthermore what do you get if you combine all titles of the ST?

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    The Last Skywalker => Kylo Ren aka Ben Solo
     
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    I don't know how much thought goes into these titles... but I really want this to a conscious decision. That the first, second and third words of each of the titles form The Last Skywalker-- instead of a happy coincidence. They also just happen to represent the order of the films as well.
     
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    Before the title of TROS was revealed I wanted the titles of the ST to make sentence. Some examples:

    The Force Awakens The Last Jedi From The Darkness
    The Force Awakens The Last Jedi Knights of the Republic

    etc.

    But "The Last Skywalker" coincidence is also very nice! It's actually perfect.
     
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    Please show me where they've used the words "The Skywalker Saga" in print. Anywhere. It's been a coined term but there is nothing official about it.

    The Last Jedi (just like ROTJ) has a double meaning since Luke ISN'T The Last Jedi. That's why I hate that title so much, because it doesn't make sense to have him say "I will not be the last Jedi" and then cut to Rey's face, yet call the movie The Last Jedi.

    If the leaks are true
    A Palpatine possesed Kylo asks Rey to kill him in order to vanquish Palpatine once and for all
    That doesn't sound like a major redemption arc warranting the title The Rise of Skywalker. I guess we will see, but I wouldn't be surprised if the title has references to actual people named Skywalker (Luke, Anakin).
     
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    Punctuation can make all the difference:

    The Force Awakens The Last Jedi, The Rise of Skywalker
     
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    Here you go ;D


    I trust the director and writer when he says TLJ refers to Luke.

    Maybe you sohuld read the leak completely then:
    Kylo gets resurrected by the force. So, a literal rise.
     
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