1. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice

Who does the movie title refer to?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Darth Walt, Apr 12, 2019.

?

The movie title refers to...?

  1. Luke Skywalker

    23 vote(s)
    18.5%
  2. Leia Skywalker

    1 vote(s)
    0.8%
  3. Anakin Skywalker

    25 vote(s)
    20.2%
  4. Shmi Skywalker

    2 vote(s)
    1.6%
  5. Rey Skywalker

    34 vote(s)
    27.4%
  6. Ben Skywalker

    26 vote(s)
    21.0%
  7. Another Skywalker

    13 vote(s)
    10.5%
  1. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2019
    Posts:
    234
    Likes Received:
    352
    Trophy Points:
    1,277
    Credits:
    370
    Ratings:
    +531 / 28 / -6
    ^ "Speculation" that has been officially disproven is not speculation; it's fiction and fantasy.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  2. Meister Yoda

    Meister Yoda Your Little Green Friend

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2015
    Posts:
    600
    Likes Received:
    21,964
    Trophy Points:
    147,152
    Credits:
    25,316
    Ratings:
    +23,109 / 4 / -2
    Whatever any Lucasfilm member, actor, director, producer says is not canon until shown on screen in book or comic, etc though.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 22, 2019, Original Post Date: Jul 22, 2019 ---
    I can imagine Rey and Kylo fighting. Kylo still knowing he is wrong, but still to weak to admit and surrender. At some point Rey almost defeated. Kylo fighting with himself to kill Rey with the Lukes saber now in his hand. Suddenly the saber is pulled out of his hand and lands in Leias hand and she turns it off, saying "Come with me". Kylo breaking down in tears, looking at her ...

    But what would we gain. What makes the Skywalkers special is Anakin received by the force. No other skywalker before is/was anything special. Actually they were nobodies.

    Full cycle it was Lor San Tekka and his church of the force who kidnapped Rey, already seeing the dark side around Ben.
    They left her on Jakku and put Lor San Tekka there to watch over her until the time comes... Lor San Tekka really earned to die at the hands of Kylo Ren ;-)
     
    • Like Like x 2
  3. Porco Azzurro

    Porco Azzurro Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2019
    Posts:
    65
    Likes Received:
    422
    Trophy Points:
    1,742
    Credits:
    466
    Ratings:
    +499 / 0 / -0
    JJ and Cumberbatch both stated publically that the actor was definitely not Khan in Into Darkness...

    Things change. People lie or obfuscate or misdirect with tricksy language that reads differently after the event, "from a certain point of view".

    If it's not disproven in the canon material, anything is possible. IMHO.
     
    • Great Post Great Post x 3
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
  4. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2019
    Posts:
    234
    Likes Received:
    352
    Trophy Points:
    1,277
    Credits:
    370
    Ratings:
    +531 / 28 / -6
    This isn't true.

    If it were, several of the Canonical facts that we have about The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi wouldn't exist.

    Rey being a Skywalker through Shmi's paternal family tree sidesteps the narrative awkwardness of having 3 of 9 "Saga" films - which are explicitly the Skwalker family story as per Lucasfilm itself - focused on a protagonist who is not of that family explicitly while also not contradicting anything that has already been established about her.

    It's literally a "Best of Both Worlds" scenario that lets Lucasfilm "have its cake and eat it too" while also expanding on a portion of Star Wars lore that has not been touched on before.
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  5. lealt

    lealt Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2016
    Posts:
    1,082
    Likes Received:
    1,741
    Trophy Points:
    6,417
    Credits:
    2,503
    Ratings:
    +2,736 / 21 / -5
    Is there a source - for instance - that 100% runs out the chance that Luke had a one night stand with a woman he never saw again? Just to say one thing that in theory can be done, without contradicting anything...
     
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  6. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2019
    Posts:
    234
    Likes Received:
    352
    Trophy Points:
    1,277
    Credits:
    370
    Ratings:
    +531 / 28 / -6
    Luke spent most of the time period between RotJ and Ben's fall traveling across the galaxy researching the Jedi and trying to "pass on what he had learned" as instructed by Yoda, making it unlikely that he would've had time for amorous pursuits.

    But beyond that, the big thing that rules out her being related to Luke directly (and to Han and Leia as well) is that her parents' identities are not - and never were - a mystery to her.
     
  7. Trev

    Trev Rebel General

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2017
    Posts:
    496
    Likes Received:
    938
    Trophy Points:
    3,942
    Credits:
    1,271
    Ratings:
    +1,226 / 3 / -0
    It’s unlikely Luke had time for amorous pursuits. There’s nothing in canon that explicitly says he didn’t, though, so technically speaking, it’s still on the table. Likewise, nothing in canon has explicitly told us who Rey’s parents are or aren’t. It’s unlikely for her to be a Solo or a Skywalker, but nothing has solidified that.

    All Rey says about her parents is that “they were nobody,” which is a really weird piece of dialogue that could be interpreted a number of ways. That easily could’ve been her dismissing Kylo’s attempts to have a conversation about her parents; it’s like Rey telling Kylo to drop it because she doesn’t want to discuss it. She’d never expressed any desire for Luke, Leia or Han to reveal themselves as her parents, but her response to Kylo seems to imply that’s the case –– which is why I think that dialogue was very deliberate. Her parents being “nobody” only matters to the audience, not to her.

    One of the problems with The Last Jedi being received the way it was is that a lot of fans fail to realize it’s the second part of a three-part story. There are things that are left unresolved and things that we don’t have the full story with. We already have several contradicting comments from the cast and crew regarding Rey’s parentage as is. Remember when J.J. said Rey’s parents weren’t in The Force Awakens and then changed his mind and said they could’ve been?

    As @Porco Azzurro said, things change, and anything is possible unless proven otherwise in canon materials. I’m not trying to argue with you, but you have yet to provide anything concrete from canon materials that proves Rey is definitely not a Solo or a Skywalker. I think the chances of her actually being part of this family are slim to none, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t ways they could pull it off without contradicting previously existing material.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
  8. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2019
    Posts:
    234
    Likes Received:
    352
    Trophy Points:
    1,277
    Credits:
    370
    Ratings:
    +531 / 28 / -6
    ^ Why should I have to explain The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi? They are all the Canonical proof that is needed to demonstrate that Rey is not and cannot be directly related to Han, Leia, and Luke.
     
  9. lealt

    lealt Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2016
    Posts:
    1,082
    Likes Received:
    1,741
    Trophy Points:
    6,417
    Credits:
    2,503
    Ratings:
    +2,736 / 21 / -5
    The Skywalker’s family story of “family love and loss”.



    To recap my point of view...
    - the title has multiple meanings but it becomes more clear at the end of the movie (that given
    some interviews of cast members, JJ, etc...).
    - Personally, however, I’d find really hard to believe that none of this meaning has to do with the
    heroine of the ST.

    - I’d personally love to see the family legacy being passed to unrelated people (and the end of the special bloodline as well). But...

    - The marketing campaign seems to underline the family theme.

    - Sidius’s laugh is there to tell us that weird stuff is coming. That regardless.

    - so to me, it’d be one of the two. Or she’s a Skywalker the “traditional way”.
    Or the weird stuff will be also used to connect her to the Skywalker’s bloodline. And to Anakin in particularly. Closing the circle.
     
    #329 lealt, Jul 23, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2019
    • Like Like x 1
  10. Andrew Waples

    Andrew Waples Jedi General

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2018
    Posts:
    1,954
    Likes Received:
    46,487
    Trophy Points:
    164,167
    Credits:
    20,973
    Ratings:
    +49,301 / 55 / -23
    George has said that Jedi don't marry, and I imagine "one night stands" are highly illegal amongst the Council. I highly doubt Luke would do that. That sounds more like something Han would do. Also, this isn't Game of Thrones. Star Wars doesn't do that kind of explicit content.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2019
    Posts:
    234
    Likes Received:
    352
    Trophy Points:
    1,277
    Credits:
    370
    Ratings:
    +531 / 28 / -6
    You would imagine wrongly, then, because it's been confirmed that the Jedi were not celibate creatures despite perception to the contrary.

    They were allowed to engage in sexual activities, but not to form attachments.

    Also, it's Canonical that Ki Adi Mundi was married.

    Regardless of that fact, however, what we know about Luke's activities during the period between Return of the Jedi and Ben's fall - as well as what we know about Rey's own personal timeline and the fact that her parents are not a mystery to her - does not support him having indulged in a one-night-stand and gotten somebody pregnant.
     
    #331 DigificWriter, Jul 23, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2019
  12. Andrew Waples

    Andrew Waples Jedi General

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2018
    Posts:
    1,954
    Likes Received:
    46,487
    Trophy Points:
    164,167
    Credits:
    20,973
    Ratings:
    +49,301 / 55 / -23
    Again, imagine the uproar if that where the case. As I said, Star Wars isn't Game of Thrones. Star Wars is for kids they wouldn't okay that type of content.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2019
    Posts:
    234
    Likes Received:
    352
    Trophy Points:
    1,277
    Credits:
    370
    Ratings:
    +531 / 28 / -6
    Apparently I was wrong about Ki Adi Mundi being Canonically married (Pablo had debunked that idea in a Tweet of which I was unaware), but it is Canonical - as per George Lucas directly - that the Jedi weren't required to be celibate.
     
    • Wise Wise x 1
Loading...

Share This Page