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Who does the movie title refer to?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Darth Walt, Apr 12, 2019.

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The movie title refers to...?

  1. Luke Skywalker

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  2. Leia Skywalker

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  3. Anakin Skywalker

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  4. Shmi Skywalker

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  5. Rey Skywalker

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  6. Ben Skywalker

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  7. Another Skywalker

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  1. Charlie07

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    IMO, The movie is the redemption of Ben. With the reforging of the mask, he's gone full Vader at the start of the movie. He's working his way across the galaxy snuffing out pockets of the resistance. However, something sinister looms in the background against both good and evil (possibly some hint that Sidious was using snoke as a vessel)???. Somehow they are drawn to the Death Star ruins where sidious' spirit lingers in the ruins. Kylo/Ben is tempted by sidious, yet finds out the manipulation of his family over multiple generations.

    The end is Ben sacrificing his "vader" side to save Rey and the good guys. Thus the Skywalker family, truly banishes the sith to history. Allowing a new generation, carrying the legacy of 1000 generations to start fresh. The closing of the final chapter, the end of skywalkers, the sith and the story.
     
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    For me it seems like an obvious link to the fact the Ben Solo is going to get redeemed.
     
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    I, too, think it refers to Ben. I have been up and down on the idea of his redemption, but I always go back to when he killed his father. Han, realising what his son has done/become, caresses Ben's cheek. I want that moment to mean something to Ben.
     
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    I think it meant something to Ben right there in TFA. You can tell he knows he's made a mistake as Han plummets mortally wounded; it's all over Ben's face (IMO)
     
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    I will stick to the fringe and say it alludes to mostly Rey (But also Kylo to an extent) actually being a Skywalker but not in the way we all would all think from the beginning.
    I think she might be the result....say the evolution of ...well for the simplicity...let’s call it the Skywalker project of Darth Plagueis. Carried on and perhaps perfected by Darth Sidious in a lab or scientific center on Jaku.
    Meaning that Rey is from the say “lab mix” as Anakin was....in effect making her a Skywalker as well but in a different way then we thought.She being a evolution of the Anakin Skywalker mix could explain “The Mary Sue” nature of hers.
    As well as her ease to latch on to the dark side of the force (something Sidious might have implemented in the mix when creating her)Im not so sure that Disney would be bold enough to say let Rey turn to the Darkside as a twist and in that way turn the tables and make Kylo go light side because she becomes the actually threat.I would go more for Rey finding out what she and Anakin are...was ....and from that point of reference try to reach out and save Kylo even by sacrificing herself for it.I do not think Sidious per se is the main villain of this episode.I think we will see in what ways he was all behind the phenomenon and anomaly known to us as Skywalker.This makes him the great evil stretching from the beginning of the saga to the end of it.
     
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    Love the ambiguity of the title. It's beyond imagination.
    For me could be just one, or all together. All Skywalkers being connected to restore the peace and balance to the galaxy. Could not thing in another more epic way to conclude this saga.

    And don't forget Sidious, he created the Skywalker bloodline. Is he the first Skywalker?
     
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    I think Abrams tried to make Luke's move at the end of 8 to have a sense and that he will be stronger in the Force than in a body. Like Obi Wan did for Vader ( If you strike me down ) and that he "somehow" all planned from the start knowing the future and what will happen in IX.

    It's an intriguing title.
     
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    I think the title is brilliant. It gives you nothing and keeps the the tongues wagging.

    On the other hand, I am not looking forward all the think pieces. :_:'
     
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    I think it refers to Rey in part as she takes the Skywalker name to honor Luke, and Leia. With Revenge of The Sith, Return of the Jedi and now Rise of the Skywalker I think its also possible Rey will let the Jedi name die and instead start calling themselves Skywalker or Skywalkers so the name will live forever.
     
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    Palpatine learned how to create life from his master and may have used to it create Anakin and many others such as Rey.

    I'm thinking like the clones of Hitler in the film 'The Boys from Brazil'. A film which I also think was JJ's inspiration for the First Order.

    I think these are what Skywalker refers too as they (Rey and others) share DNA with Anakin.
     
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    Everybody - including myself - fell into the trap of thinking that Anakin's direct family line is the only "branch" of the Skywalker line that exists in the SW galaxy, but, to invoke the words of Yoda, "there is another": Shmi's paternal line.

    We know absolutely nothing about Shmi's backstory beyond the fact that Gardulla the Hutt brought her and Anakin to Tatooine from somewhere else, so it is entirely possible for Rey to be the child of a grand-uncle that Luke and Leia were unaware of, which would make her their first-cousin-once-removed.
     
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    I think it sets things up for a new religion called “Skywalkers”. Every indication has been that this would be the end of the Skywalker saga, yet we get a title that appears to say otherwise. Luke cheated death, like a resurrection. Keeps things in tune with the theological referencing Lucas has done. At the end of the film, the Skywalkers (people) are gone and Rey, Poe, Fin and anyone else left are the apostles. Maybe R2 and C3PO as the carriers of the records, though R2 seems to be a bit non existent in the trailer so maybe there is a definitive end to Leia in the film and he is with her. I think we may even get a training session with Rey and Force Ghosts of Ben, Yoda, Anakin, Mace, Qui-Gon and Yoda. Or maybe just Luke and Yoda.

    To me it’s clear, Rey will be the first “Skywalker”, but not by adopting a last name, it’s a title like “Jedi”....and the evil laugh at the end of the teaser trailer tells you all you need to know about evil rising with it. It’s entirely probable, if not a certainty, that Ben was but one of many powerful bloodlines in the Knights of Ren with others equal to if not greater in measure. The focus on Ben being due to the greatness of Vader, and the storyline being tied to the original trilogy. Come to think of it, the future dark siders could be called Vader’s. LOL. Then again, Vader ended up being a total failure for the Dark Side.

    If it truly is an end to Skywalkers as a family, Ben gets killed off. Gone. Bye-Bye. Maybe Rey even does it with that ninja move she pulls off against Kylo’s Fighter in the clip ending in an epic lightsaber battle in the desert. Or he gets ended with the destruction of what looks like a crashed Death Star at the end of the teaser, never learning how to cheat death as Luke did. No more Skywalkers left.

    In the end, Disney has a clean canvas to work with. Which I think is great. They can go into future trilogies without having to hang on to the Jedi/Sith thing yet still tie back to the original saga. Perhaps the only survivors of the original trilogy being C3PO and BB8. It just depends how far out in the future they go in a new trilogy. I don’t think there is the same bond with the new cast of Rey, Finn and Poe that we had with Luke, Han and Leia. Maybe I’m wrong there. Maybe the new trilogy can take us 10 years out with reconstruction, maybe 100 with a whole new group of people. Like I said, clean canvas.
     
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    My original vote was Anakin. However, I want to expand on the idea about the possibility of Rey being a Skywalker.

    Non-bloodline option: We saw this in Solo.
    Imperial officer: Name?
    Han: Han.
    Imperial officer: Last name?
    Han: Don't have one.
    *Dramatic pause*
    Imperial officer: Han Soooolo.
    Rey doesn't have a last name, so she can adopt one like Han did, like Leia did, like Kylo did. Hell! It's a thing in that galaxy.

    Bloodline option: Luke's daughter. The argument against this option would be, if they were related, why they didn't recognize each other though the Force when they met for the first time? Well, that's not enough for someone to recognize each other. It requires WILL. Vader met Leia a few times in ANH. Leia wasn't Force sensitive, but Vader was already at the top of his powers. He also doesn't recognize Luke during the the space battle; he only recognizes a rebel pilot that is strong with the Force, a fact that was the seed for him to start wondering who that pilot might have been. In TESB, Vader mets Leia for the second time; none of them recognized each other as related. When Vader tells Luke that he is his father, Luke doesn't believe him at the beginning. He only starts believing when Vader tells him "Look through your feelings, you know it to be true". So, it requires a bit more than Force powers to recognize a relative. In TLJ, Luke's exile from Force may have prevented him recognize another relative. Kylo's later "revelation" about Rey's parents could be true or not. It could be purposeful misleading, manipulating her thoughts, to think her parents were nobodies. Or it could be true that they were indeed nobodies, but they were just foster parents, or at least her foster dad and biological mom.

    At this point, ANYTHING is on the table. JJ can make any option happen if he wants.
     
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    Snoke said"If Skywalker returns the Jedi will rise."

    TFA crawl says in the first paragraph"Luke Skywalker has vanished.
    In his absence, the sinister
    FIRST ORDER has risen
    from the ashes of the Empire
    and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi,
    has been destroyed."


    The crawl for TLJ stated" Only General Leia Organa’s band of RESISTANCE fighters stand against the rising tyranny, certain that Jedi Master Luke Skywalker will return and restore a spark of hope to the fight."

    In ROTS it was the rise of Vader and the Empire.

    The rise of skywalker means hope. Rising is kind of a theme through the whole saga.
     
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    I think what we've seen shows us that... Rey is a female Anakin clone.

    That is how BOTH things are true that she is the heir to Anakin's lightsaber and Skywalker legacy AND her parents (adoptive/foster parents?) were also 'nobodies'.

    This theory makes more sense now that (via the trailer) we know that things are still going according to Palpatine's plan and he is still pulling the strings. Palpatine would have definitely kept to himself the ability to clone Anakin, and since his plans were foiled, he has been working to re-establish all that he had lost via the First Order.

    Also, somebody already called this a long time ago, and it only makes more sense now in light of what we know from VIII and IX:
     
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    As much as I clutched the idea of Rey BEING a Skywalker, I think that I'll now lay it aside.

    THAT being said, I think that now Rey will not only TAKE the Skywalker surname but it will also act as a title, because now the the Jedi are gone, everyone that trains under Rey will also take the name as a title.

    "Are you a Jedi??"
    "No, the Jedi are gone...I am a Skywalker...Master Rey Skywalker, and this is my apprentice, Onji Skywalker."

    I believe that it will describe an order...."The Rise of Skywalker", as all of the teachings came from the last Jedi, Luke Skywalker. A new order, new teachings, and new beliefs and understandings of the force.

    ....and it's going to REALLY piss off Kylo Ren that his "opponent" is essentially raising an order to fight against everything he believes in, and carry the name that he'll never have.

    He'll be offended, insulted, and thus...infuriated by it.
     
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    And since he is from Skywalker lineage, he will be dead at the end of the movie.
     
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    After hearing KK answer when questioned about the title, I still think it refers to the newly trained force users taking of the mantel of Skywalker and letting the Jedi die. I also think as has been mentioned here, there are probably multiple levels in its meaning.

    Im starting to feel it is also SUMMING up the movie. IX could be a summary of the 3 trilogy saga. As our heroes and villain go on the search for the mcguffin in the present, they learn more about the past. They learn more about who Vader/Anakin was, his reasons for darkside turn, and maybe some new extra information we didn't know. This could be where Palpatine fits in with holograms and recordings. This may be learned by Klyo which could change what he knew of his grandfather. The journey could also lead them into learning more of Luke and his thoughts/ideas while filling in some of the gaps between ROTJ and TFA about him. Effectively, while on their journey, we get a summary of the PT/OT, The Rise of Skywalker (Anakin and Luke).

    In the end Rey and Kylo, the Yin and Yang representation of the force, learn more about the different sides and are taught they need to work together/co-exist to bring balance to the force instead of constantly fighting and trying to destroy each other. As already stated here in the forum, could put our opening shot in the trailer at the end of the movie with Rey and Kylo training together for the future generations of Skywalkers.

    Just a thought
     
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    A few years back I posted my theory which probably 3 people read..."Balance" started at the end of ROTJ when Palpatine died but not fully achieved. Either through the world of worlds, resurrection or via a force ghost (or whatever), Anakin is instrumental in guiding the heroes to complete the balance.

    Quoting Kenobi from EP1 "even Yoda doesnt have a medi-chlorian count that high:" yet Yoda is able to start a lightning strike with starts a fire in the TLJ...just imagine what Anakin could do.

    Rise of Skywalker means Anakin will achieve his true potential and destiny by bringing balance to the force.
     
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    I agree there could be multiple meanings of the title. Like @ObeeJaun I’m not really feeling the Skywalker being a new name of force user. While it referring to a Ben Solo redemption is a strong possibility I struggle with this one as well because although he is a Skywalker by blood (and qualifies as a Skywalker in the Skywalker saga), his name is Solo so this theory works less for me. The title referring to Anakin and his past seems to work. Especially with some of the rumors about the Mcguffin of the movie. Finally, it referring to Rey makes sense too. Especially if she takes the name Skywalker (being Luke’s daughter works but requires a fair amount of exposition and does not work as well for me).
     
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