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Who else desperately wants the Saga to end at 9?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by darth sputnik, Jan 18, 2018.

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    I would be fine if they ended the Saga films with 9. They could still do a spin off movie in the timeline of the ST and have returning characters. Rian's Trilogy depending what its about could spark a new Saga altogether. I would love some films to delve more into the nature and mysteries of The Force that just build onto things we've already seen but also offer new questions and paths to follow. Its exciting to think about where Star Wars will be in 10 or 20 years. Some people would rather the franchise be killed than continue on to inspire future generations. I for one hope to still be seeing adventures in the GFFA when im 80 if I live that long.
     
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    I definitely agree that the Skywalker saga needs to end with 9, but I think they should continue the series.
     
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    The story is already “diluted” the question should have been would you have wanted the series to end after Episode 6. To that question my answer would have been yes.
     
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    The VERY BEST way for Star Wars to end at any time = Stop going to the theater...it's easy.

    The rest of us still want more.
     
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    If they can manage to improve the quality of the saga movies, I'd be down for another trilogy. But the way they are headed, I might just check out and hide in the basement with my precious I-VI blurays.

    I'm way more interested the spin offs then the saga at this point.
     
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    Actually going into ROTJ, his original plan for the sequel trilogy was for Luke to find his sister (who was not Leia at that time) and to have a final battle with the emperor in 9. GL ended up scrapping his original ST plans (obviously) and took most of those elements and moved them up to take place in Ep6.
     
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    No i don't want the Saga to end at 9, i want them to take a long break 15 years or something, but i would to see episode 10 at some point.

    The Skywalker blood is an issue, i guess you could have kylo Ren have a child.
     
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    And A New Hope had the storyline of the entire 3 movie saga in condensced form. I'm talking about Lucas' post ROTJ plans.:)
     
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    I think people saying well Lucas planned 9 Episodes and now that what we've got so we should end it their, should take into account the amount of time things have changed, from Lucas changing his mind, both when making the original Trilogy and again during the prequels and again after, lets not forget when Disney bought Star Wars they Lucas had no intention of making another trilogy, and while some of lucas's ideas have found their way into this trilogy Lucas has said himself they didn't use a lot of them. It seems a bit of bizarre argument to say we shouldn't make any more Saga films because Lucas didn't intend any more made, because for along time he had no intention of making these films and these films are at best only partially what he intended.
    Of course if you would rather the Saga films end at 9 that's a very fair and valid point of view, i just don't agree that it has to end at 9 because of the Lucas argument.

    I think of it this way, once this trilogy ends we will move into stand alone films and new trilogies set at different times and different era's which will be fun. But we all know the inevitable will happen and at some point public interest will dip( as it does with all things) and Disney will look for a way to reinvigorate the franchise, at which point they will go one of two ways:
    1. They make Episode 10.
    2. They Reboot the franchise.
    I for one hope they go down the Episode 10 route. Plus the idea of getting a new trilogy of star wars sage films every 15 years or so for the rest of my life is kind of comforting and nice. The only way i'd like it to end at 9 is if they come up with such an incredible film that ties the whole 9 films together that i'd feel that if they touched it again it would ruin it.
     
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    But that's what he said when TFA released. But it has now been revealed that they shifted the story-line a bit by keeping out Luke from the first movie. TLJ is basically what Lucas had intended for VII. They decided to fashion a different starting narrative for VII because Luke's presence in the story kept overshadowing the weight and introduction of the newer characters.

    I hope they don't overdo it though. Perhaps they might do a 10 at some stage, but I hope not in the near future. They should give the sequel era some time to develop, with new stories and content, like they did with the original and prequel trilogies. Furthermore, I think that a continuation of regular episodes (like 10 to 12) would seriously distort the 3 act structure of the present meta-narrative: 1. fall of Anakin 2. redemption of Anakin 3. legacy of the Skywalkers. What should the fourth act be about? The same? A story without a telos and narrative closure isn't a story.

    I'd rather have something completely new, not related to the Skywalker legacy. If they want to continue the story of Skywalker's legacy, a tv-series would be a nice platform. It would offer the option for established characters to pop in once in a while without selling their entire acting careers to Lucasfilm (Ridley, Boyega, Isaac) and would focus on new characters instead. You could also do standalone movies set after IX, but a whole new saga directly following the narrative of the previous IX wouldn't make sense to me.
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    He was playing with the idea just before he sold Lucasfilm, but hadn't decided which medium was suitable for the continuation of the Skywalker saga. There was an episode VII in development, but not a movie, it was a video game in early concept development by Lucasarts.
     
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    Exactly. I hate the mentality of "I'm tired of this, so I want it to end for everyone so I can have my closure."
    That's so selfish.

    I mean, I stopped liking the Transformers movies after like the first one (which, honestly, I don't even like either now), and sure, I'm amazed that they're still going. But I wouldn't have begrudged someone enjoying them just so I could have an ending for myself.
     
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    But like you showing here the idea was in flux and had been in flux pretty much since Lucas first conceived whats now known as a New hope, so saying it can't change again seems a bit silly.

    Agree with everything you say here, If we do get an Episode 10 i don't want it for at the very minimum a decade. I always want these saga films to feel special.
    You could make a similar argument about this trilogy, though that the first 6 films where the rise fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. and that was a good place to stop, now they are handling the legacy of the Skywalkers and you could already argue they are repeating themselves with the fall of Kylo Ren. So yes they have to be careful of repeating themselves but story's are only limited by someones imagination. I mean i don't know if we are going to see the Jedi order rebuilt in 9, but if not seeing they Jedi order rebuilt by the son or daughter of kylo Ren in episodes 10 11 and 12 would be quite satisfying.

    Like i said in my original post though if Episode 9 is incredible and does manage to pull all 3 trilogies together in a nice pretty bow that touching it in the future would cheapen it, then yeah end it then, but managing to do that would be such an incredible achievement i don't want to go into 9 expecting that it wouldn't be fair on the film or its creators.

    Personally i don't want to see them go down the TV route with the Skywalker Saga, i want that to always feel special, if they arn't gonna do it on film then just leave it be.
    my issue with this is personly i think it will lead down the road to a reboot, if you start a new Saga in after episode 9, with a new episode 1 and go forward from their, it kind of gets rid of the possibility of ever doing an episode 10 of this Saga, so when interests in Star Wars dip (which even the most optimistic person knows will happen at some point) Disney wont have the Skywalker Trilogy to fall back on to generate new interest and will inevitably look to reboot..... yes i am a pessimist :p
     
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    It should have ended with OT and PT, with writers working hard to come up with something new for that universe.
     
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    I do, if only to limit the damage. Nothing encapsulates the lack of intellect, appreciation, and thoughtfulness of the sequel trilogy more than when Rian Johnson was asked if Kylo told Rey the truth. He said that he did as far as he believed (Kylo) but that it would depend on what JJ and the co-writer decide to write. While I can respect the scripts not done all at once, it is very telling that the brain trust never decided to figure out the story arcs before they made TFA, and the severe turn taken in TLJ which worse than wasting all new characters, made Star Wars a jokey, shticky mess, even more than TFA.

    In the sequel trilogy we have a main antagonist, built up more than any other, vanquish simply and quickly. We had the Millennium Falcon enter hyperspace from within a ship and exit it within a planet atmosphere. We had a Force ghost cause a lightning strike in the living galaxy. We had a Republic, which had won freedom through war, somehow have almost no fleet outside of five core planets. We had a multiple planet destroying hyper-space weapon. We had planets destroyed, in easy view of many other planets (Which were all in close proximity to be viewed in one camera shot, not to mention all in the same area of their elliptical orbits. We had a Republic that had no cause for alarm, despite the new Jedi academy self destructing and it's prized student joining a leader of a fascist nationalistic group, who has an incredible stockpile of weaponry and vehicles. We have storm troopers drop their guns, to take on a lightsaber wielding foe, despite it making no sense even if you assume FInn is, or ISN'T a Jedi. We have a gambling planet where the rich inhabitants seem to have no concern that recently, the Republic command structure was obliterated, and apparently are the rich, in an attempt to reflect our current American power structure, but ignoring that Snoke and his band have the Force with them. Why is Snoke even a concern, if they sell him all his ships, they must have more, right? You don't just feed someone weapons unless you keep the best for yourself (Think US with Iraq). Finally, they intentionally waste every emotional moment, but no-one knows why.

    It seems like JJ did Star Wars just like he did Lost. We will do lots of cool looking stuff and mysterious intrigue. Basically click bait in film. But with no thought to the end. The original and prequels, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, to a lesser extent the Narnia books and the Dunes, and Planet of the Apes. The stories work because they know exactly how they end, and work backwards to tell the story from the most interesting angle. Whether you liked the delivery of the Prequels or not, they stayed true to the mythology. The Senate scenes and story for how to crumble the Republic was perfect. The interests of the galaxy are 2nd to the whims of the lobbyists, who get power and wealth and feel fat and giggly, until the most clever narcissist gets the most powerful job and subjugates them all. Nailed it. Having a specific cause why some were force sensitive and others not, was also done perfectly, incorporating the buddhist themes of the Jedi all the way to the cellular level. Lucas always wrote backwards and held close to mythology. These movies are hollow, with no motivations for the characters, even the ones whom motivations were already created for.

    Honestly, I feel like they wanted to be so sure they don't pander to fans that they won't allow anything all fans want. All fans wanted to see the new Jedi Order. Everyone wanted to see how Leia ran the Republic. Everyone wanted to see Han and Leia married with kids, and Chewie as an awesome babysitter. Everyone wanted to see clever new aliens and ship designed. But we got almost none of it. There wasn't even a good alien until the cows on Acho. Episode 9 is going to be a mess. What can possibly happen now? Rey is the new leader? They build up a new fleet even though no one came to their defense on the salt planet? The reason Rogue One was so much better than either episode is because the story was already in place and they were forced to honor it, something they haven't done with the sequel films at all. Do they never sit around a table and say, here is the story, does it make sense, sound fun and sound clever? Obviously not. TLJ is the first Star Wars I only saw twice, and am not sure I will watch again, even on home video. Not sure I can stand to pretend again that the First Order can only hurl shots from afar chasing a fleet with no fuel. Not like they could hyperspace ahead or send out every fighter type ship and pummel them into submission. Nope, because the characters don't think in the new Star Wars, they are all just exposition for mindless action, which doesn't even have the Lucas flare for sharp cuts and dialog by sound effect.

    So lets get away from the Skywalker Era of the Galaxy far away. I want to see some Yoda and Jabba the Hutt movies but worried about what they will do to the lore of them. So let's just go to other centuries or millennia a long time ago where the new movies can be pretty but pointless and we can abandon story all together in favor of non-stop pretty explosions. It is the only part Lucasfilm seems to do correctly.
     
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    I don't want it to end. And it shouldn't. But probably needs to make the time longer in between. I know after 9 then there is Rian's trilogy. So, maybe wait ahile longer then do 10,11, 12 if that's what they will do. They may not...who knows?
     
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    I think this saga should end with IX.

    That said, there's no reason they can't start a new saga or trilogy that is apart of this time line. Future, past, just a different take on the SW universe would be nice.
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    Transformers is a bit different than SW though.

    I have no issues with more SW, even continuing on to Rey, Finn and Poe's stories. Kylo kind of has to die though, and I'd prefer if they started the count over. Market it as a new saga. The problem with continuing a saga is that it leads to more and more inconsistencies. Wipe the slate clean, and you can tell whatever story you want without being married to the ideas and principals of those that came before.

    Example. If TLJ was a stand alone movie, spring board to a new trilogy, I and many others probably would have (could have) enjoyed it a lot more. Jack Starchaser, old jedi master is a grumpy hermit on an island on a hidden planet. Daisy Darling finds him to train her in the lost ways of the force. Vick Zen is the evil son to Jack and she needs to try and turn him back to the light to complete her training. I'd have been down for all that. Probably would not have suffered so much of continuity issues and perceives plot holes and the like.

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    It'll probably never end tbh. Disney still has decades left to milk it until episode 100 after all, so they can have a "Star wars centenary" following broom boy grew great great great great Grandsons best friends kids. To loosely link it back to earlier episodes.
     
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    I think I do want the Skywalker saga to end at 9. Not because I don't like the Saga films. More that my favorite aspects of Star Wars have always been the micro stories as opposed to the macro ones. More individual characters as opposed to big galaxy changing events, which the Skywalker stuff is geared towards. It's one of the reasons I really like Rogue One. Yeah, the Scariff Battle is a big deal, but you don't have massive shifts in the force or the rise of a new order. You have a single major battle following a group of characters and their individual viewpoints. It feels more intimate and relatable. Its why I'm looking forward to RJs trilogy.
     
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    I don't get this recurring Marvel jab.

    Oh no whatever would we do to print money churning out 3-4 high quality sometimes tremendous critically acclaimed movies a year able to tell different kinds of stories in a common universe bound together enough to weave a narrative yet distinct enough to stand alone to a large degree in many cases each somewhat able to act as an entry point?

    There is a whole lot of win in them thar hilz, my friend.

    This isn't what I personally am pushing for but I don't see how one can possibly describe Marvel as problematic as a model.

    The IP was purchased for use not to park it. Star Wars will end when they can't make money making them at which point they will sit on it until they can figure out how to make money on it again.
    I have little doubt that as soon as they think they have the right angle The Mouse will throw the Apple Dumpling Gang out again much less Star Wars. The saga. The PT. The OT. The ST. All in between. Whatever it is will continue as the demand exists.
     
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