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SPECULATION Who opened the door for Rey in Maz's basement?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Darth Reliops, Jan 27, 2016.

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Will Rey use the force on a whole new level by the end of IX?

  1. Yes. These are her first steps into a larger world of ass-kicking abilities.

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  2. No. Same abilities, just get's there faster.

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  3. Difficult to see... always in motion is the future..

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  1. Darth Reliops

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    I haven't heard any discussion on this yet so forgive me if you all have already done so. I saw TFA for the 4th time last week and this scene stands out more and more. Rey hear's her younger self screaming and follows the sound downstairs to Maz's basement. She stands outside a room containing Maz's treasure collections. The door magically unlocks, allowing Rey to go in and discover Luke's lightsaber.

    I'm pretty sure it was either The Force or Luke Skywalker. My argument for the Force is that it obviously has Awakened not just in Rey but everywhere, stronger than before. It's responsible for all the coincidences, guiding people to lay a path for certain people to follow. (Example: Guiding weak-minded thieves/circumstances into stealing the Falcon so it can eventually be near Rey for her to take, etc).

    BUT Luke could have done this just as well. (He's a Grand Master by now). I know Maz said the lightsaber (and the Force) calls to her, but we've never seen it physically act on it's own and I'm not sure if it can. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of us having to use it to keep it in balance. (Otherwise it could have just caused a short somewhere in the death star and blew it up w/o Luke's strong connection to it.)

    We know that after hearing about how EpVIII is "weird" and "dark" as well as EpIX revealing who Rey really is to the Force, we can expect the Force to be more influential on the galaxy and see powers on a whole new level. I think Rey is the first child of 2 Jedi parents which make's her abilities through awareness grow exponentially. The Force is really pulling out all the stops to for Rey which mean's she's more important than everyone in this new trilogy. What do you guys think?
     
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    ...ill have to think about forgiving you. It wasn't Luke Skywalker but it looked/felt more like some sort of sensors that open to SOECIFIC people, maybe when it senses DNA or something like that .
     
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    I don't know. I feel like a lot of assumptions are being made here. We really don't know what's up with Luke, so while it could have been him I don't have any evidence pointing to him. In my mind, the Force opened that door. Not because it has awakened "everywhere," but because it awakened in Rey and she was drawn to that room.
     
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    I don't mean to be facetious here - but is there a chance it was just sensors for an automatic door responsible? Either Maz has some serious security deficiency or she was force/Rey aware and let her wander into her basement.
     
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    Max seems to trust her pirate friends so it could be simple sensors but it's probably more complex than that ...
     
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    I really hope it wasn't automatic, think of all the pirates that stay there. She'll let anyone stay one night for free no questions asked, so she probably get's shady people now and then. It could have been Maz who opened it seeing how she just learned from Han who Rey is and was like :"She's who??! Oh blast." (force open door). Apparently they cut out a scene of Maz using the force to bring down the ceiling to block Stormtroopers so it could have been her, but most likely the Force.
     
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    I read a post somewhere challenging the street cred of this "Pirate Hangout".

    Han warns Rey of danger within - but they take the McGuffin everyone's looking for out of their private vessel and into public, get treated like old friends by the owner, relax to some downbeat tunes, wander around an unlocked basement, and friendly patrons offer passage to Finn - some dodgy Cantina!

    Got nothing on this scum filled hangout...

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    It could do with Unkar losing some arms to add some tension IMO...
     
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    Um.....Lord Voldemort maybe?
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    I think the Visual Dictionary mentioned that Maz's castle was built over an ancient Sith and Jedi site of some sort (I'm away from the book at the moment so I can't verify), so perhaps the site is strong in the force.
     
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    yes, either the force......or a motion sensor.

    As for Rey's force powers. I think they conciously let her do more or less all things Luke and Obi Wan did with the force in the original trilogy so that they can show her developing new never before seen powers. I think Rey will be on the level of Starkiller in the Force Unleashed. I think were getting that sort of scale in her force powers in the next movies. Perhaps even powers which are more relational like stronger telepathic powers, healing powers, perhaps even resurrection..."cheating death". That sort of stuff.
     
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    I doubt that they'll go THAT far, but I do think that she'll use abilities that we haven't seen before on-film (battle meditation perhaps)? And we're already seeing some of that with Kylo.

    As for the door, it's one of the details that isn't really all that important in the grand scheme of things. Either it was a motion sensor, or Rey's Force Sensitivity caused to door to open, or maybe Maz herself opened it (we don't know exactly how long she was standing there after all).
     
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    there also appears to be an old woman/guy/creature sleeping in the corner.
     
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    As it has been established that Maz was indeed Force-sensitive and Force-capable (e.g. via one of the deleted scenes mentioned online), it is entirely possible that she was instrumental in opening the passage.

    The analogue here, for me, with reference to The Empire Strikes Back, seems to point to Yoda and the Cave, wherein Luke goes and experiences a Force vision.

    Both Rey and Luke exhibited respective heightened awareness of something being there, something calling to them, something they had to encounter, experience, or confront.

    And from that analogue comes some very interesting implications as well, such as, when Yoda, in response to Luke's question as to what was in there, said, "Only what you take with you."

    We know how Luke proceeds, but what Rey goes in with are perhaps (as-of-yet inexplicably) supressed memories and/or a supremely heightened (i.e. Awakened) sense of the Force which affords her the ability to see the past as well as the future.

    Unlike Luke, she comes out of that experience with more than a haunting vision and awareness. Like him, she is perplexed and mystified by the mystical experience.

    Luke could also, using his likely ever-more improved-upon Jedi Master skills, have called to Rey and inspire her inward to that room.

    It might be one of those things that remain unexplained, but there are interesting possibilities nonetheless.

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    Welcome to the cantina, I have heard of those deleted scenes, great post.
     
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    I don't think that Maz used the force to open those doors as it was made to look like Rey's adventure was going on at the same exact time as when she was talking to Han Solo and all ...
     
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    Thank you, Grand Master Galen Marek.

    I should mention there being, certainly within the realm of this story, the very possibility of the Force itself doing its bidding in the basement: the will of the Force, as it is said.

    This I do consider a relatively distant third possibility, in addition to the two I listed above (Maz or Luke), as I am presently inclined to Maz factoring deeply here due to a larger theory of mine I hope to elaborate upon once I am able to create new forum threads.

    For now, I would say, given Maz's abilities, if we are to assume the writers / creative team / Story Group had very good reason (i.e. in support of / essential to the actual core narrative and underlying principles of the story) to grant this ancient and clearly not-insignificant character such powers, seem to very strongly suggest her having some involvement in this scene, if even it is ultimately indirect (e.g. her Force sensibilities, Rey's, and the lightsaber's Force-related energies / imprints perhaps serve as a sort of "amplifier" to produce such a collective "disturbance" in the Force as to gain Luke's attention and focus as to attempt such a direct connection with Rey).

    I have come to believe there is something rather purposeful and profound at work if we simply begin to wonder why Han Solo really took everyone to Takodana in the first place. At this point, this choice of Han's that sets the subsequent plot in motion.

    It could not have been a mistake or simply a byproduct of chance that the fateful lightsaber was there awaiting discovery. Just as it could not have been merely a coincidence Han was just at the right location in space to intercept and reclaim the Falcon.

    The distant third possibility of all of this being attributable to the Force's own will can be appealing to a point, I might say, but that could make for a nearly entirely fated (i.e. fate-driven, free-will-less) story. We know its duality: partially controlling actions yet obeying commands.

    Rather than a purely Force-driven and predetermined reality, in movies or in life, I choose to believe in choice: persons actively shaping and contributing to their respective realities and destinies. Cause and effect.

    By all this I mean the actions set forth in the story, indeed as in all Star Wars stories, commence with a choice and continue toward consequence. The simplest of choices can impact the galaxy and reverberate for parsecs and generations to come.

    So, getting back to Maz now, Han makes an unmistakably purposeful choice in landing at Takodana. Avoiding the First Order or gaining everyone safe passage to the Resistance Base on D'Qar might rank among the last reasons at play here.

    Whether this is a conscious decision or not of Han's is another consideration: has the Force or Luke guided Han to this planet? How actively / willingly / knowingly is he at this point? We might not even have reason to ask were it not that he regarded Chewbacca's bowcaster with such awe, as if he had not seen it or even tried it before, or that he seemed regard Rey in a funny, semi-familiar-yet-distant fashion in some scenes. Has Han's memory been influenced in some conscious or unconscious way? By Luke? The Force? Himself? Is Han feigning non-awareness?

    The novelization also offers us this tantalizing quote from Han: "Leia, there's something I’ve been wanting to say to you for a long time."

    Something indeed!

    We don't get to see his off-screen conversation with Maz as the story shifts to Rey's descent to the basement, but perhaps Han, in those moments, confirms to Maz what Maz has already begun to sense via the Force.

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    Well it was suspicious that Maz found her soon after the visions took hold, unless she followed her off camera.
     
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    Yeah Mas was talking to Han when Rey heard the voices and went down the stairs and Maz was probably like, "where does she think she's going..." And followed her, and then realized that Rey is special .
     
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    It was the Force, it was calling to her. Think outside the box, she may have opened it herself not knowing she did.
     
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