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Who trained Snoke in the subtleties of the Force?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, Mar 13, 2016.

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Who trained Snoke in the subtleties of the Force

Poll closed Jul 26, 2017.
  1. A Sith Lord

    10 vote(s)
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  2. Unidentified type of Dark Force wielder

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  3. He is Fallen angel, or Will, he don't need training

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    15.4%
  4. Mr. Bad Writing

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  1. Fearghas_Ajax

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    I really don't feel the elaboration of Snoke's background decides whether or not it is bad or cheap writing. I think that is just more of a personal idea some need to have in order to make it a good movie for them (which I do believe they will be disappointed). If we look at the OT, The Emperor was only briefly mentioned in Star Wars. Nothing else about him was given. Does that make bad writing? In ESB, he was a hologram and briefly mentioned a few times but nothing regarding his background. Cheap Writing? In ROJ, the emperor finally appears but yet we still know know nothing of his background. We didn't really learn much about his background until the PT. For me, not knowing Snoke's detailed background doesn't necessitate bad writing. If the ST follows the OT, we may not know Snoke's complete background even by EP. IX. Seeing as we did get a few hologram scenes of Snoke in the 1st film of the ST as compared to ANH, we make get a little more info than the ST but in the end we still may not know much. Just as the Emperor wasn't that main villain in the ST (was he a pop-up duty villain?), he was just a means to an end for Vader's Redemption and therefor didn't need background explanation. He was just Vader's powerful master that he must obey. I think Snoke will follow suit in this trilogy. Kylo is the main, conflicted villain.
     
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    Yeah an ancient creepy weakened being with decades to observe from outside and learn and just always waiting for the next move (perhaps was once foreseen to become a Jedi, but had to much politics and power in mind.. so they didn't take him in the academy..rejected like Kylo thinks for himself.. speculation.. speculation:))
     
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    I actually do think it was bad writing and those movies are only really amazing for when they came out if on their own, I didnt really start to care about star wars that much until a solid lore began to establish. My appreciation of the OT was minor as a child but grew as a teenager once a ton of lore was established/was continued to be established upon. It went from being an enjoyable story to a rich universe.
     
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    I can;t wait for these new characters to be fully explained in the films, but like you say, the extended lore is just as cool and interesting - there's a whole GALAXY to explore! Let's not make it too small by having everything connect. Let's have Snoke be a completely new, unknown entity that's been residing in the farthest parts of the the Unknown Reaches, where the Empire had little meaning, and have him unleash 'new' powerful and dark Dark Side powers - make him an actual dangerous, unpredcitable menace
     
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    Well I actually think Snoke should be DP because of the way he was designed, if he wasnt old and wasnt so darn similar to an already canon character Id be fine if he was new. As is and the way the story has been laid out DP just fits the bill to a tee and it will most likely be quite difficult for him to make any sense in the movie if he is a new character. The whole not developing characters or giving them lore was something people let fly by in the OT days but now there is no excuse the movies should be well made enough over the course of 3 films to give us a film without good character development.
     
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    I agree. Making Kanan look like Ram Kota is one thing, making Snoke out to be exactly like Plagueis is another. You can get away with it; between a video game and a cartoon, but that won't fly when it comes to the saga.
     
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    True, not to mention Ram Kota isnt canon (im pretty sure) and DP is.
     
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    In regards to Darth Plagueis, we know so little about Snoke and his backstory, I don't think there are many connections that can be made between the two. They don't really look that similar either in my opinion. Darth Plagueis was supposed to be a Muun, right? Snoke is clearly a not a Muun. He appears to be a species that we've never seen before.

    I think Snoke being a new character does make sense. If he's from the unknown regions of the galaxy, like some have speculated, that would explain why he wasn't around in the PT or OT.

    While Snoke does seem to be quite knowledgeable of galactic history (which we learned from the novel), that can be easily explained. He could have simply watched events unfold from a distance. Perhaps he sent his followers into the galaxy to do reconnaissance and maybe even infiltrate the ranks of the Empire.

    I think by creating a brand new dark side character they're able to expand the universe and develop new lore which I'm looking forward to learning about. I know Snoke was underwhelming for many, but I think there is so much potential for this character.
     
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    In that case, couldn't they make some more nice looking Snoke, at least one who does not look like a Egyptian mummy revived? I mean if he had big accident in his galaxy, barely survived it obviously, before he came to Lucas Galaxy. What does it ad to the story?

    I believe Snoke zombie like appearance has to do with the events in Lucas galaxy, and I am sure Sboke didn't got his wounds(which are incompatible with normsl life) in a trafic accident on Corsucant

    Also his name Snoke, its to cheap if its just a name, it must be Pseudonyme that holds secret of his character, even Zorg from Superman sounds beter than Snoke, both coming from another Galaxy.

    Sith (Shadow) No One Knew Existed---Snoke
     
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    I agree, I think Snoke will be something new that has ties to that part of history. With the dropping of the EU and some of the similarities that seem to be drawn from the EU, I still stick by my theory that Snoke could be a Thrawn inspired character. Just as Thrawn was a high ranking commander and was sent out to the unknown regions, Snoke could be the "Operator" from AfterMath. An alien, force sensitive, high ranking commander that was sent into the unknown regions to find the origins of the dark side. Wouldn't make sense to send someone that wasn't at least force sensitive to find the source. Being high ranking, it would also put him in position to assume command of the Empire remnant upon his return.

    Another possibility is Snoke being based on "The Force Unleashed" Starkiller. A secret apprentice of Vader's who presumed killed once Sidious found out about him. But was only left maimed and went to the unknown regions to hide until it was safe for him to return.
     
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    New Thought!
    I just had the dawning of another idea from my last post.He could be like StarKiller, a former apprentice, not of Vader but of Sidious. It's obvious Sidious probably had possible potential apprentices lined up if needed. He had Maul. After Maul's death he had Tyrannus in a very short time. We now have the Inquisitors. Sidious being strong in the force, Im sure he had foresight of possible events. He may have sensed Vader's internal conflict and started training a new apprentice (Snoke) just incase. Vader finds out about Snoke, opens up a can of whoop ass on him and leaves him for dead. Snoke retreats to the unknown regions to heal, bidding his time until he can exact revenge while keeping tabs on what is going on. This would allow Snoke to know what has happened since the fall of the republic. If his battle with Vader happened during the latter years, after Vader and Sidious learned of the son of Skywalker, then Snoke could know about Vader's child. Once he learned of Vader's and Sidious' demise, he could return to seek revenge on the Skywalker name. Could explain why he wants Luke dead. He has gotten some revenge through turning Kylo. Hurt Lea through turning Kylo and having Kylo kill his dad, her husband. Also if Rey turns out to bed Luke's child, it would give reason as to why Rey was hidden at a young age on a backwater planet.

    So, who trained Snoke in the subtleties of the force? Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine!
     
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    One has to wonder if Snoke is not a Sith? Then what kind of training was he talking about when he said he needed to complete Kylo's training? Plain bring "vanilla" dark side training?

    Or maybe Ezra taught him.
     
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    Bendu talks about "the Ashla and the Bogan," ancient terms for the light and dark sides. Maybe Snoke learned from the same ancient order as Bendu?
     
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    1.Snoke could be former Sith, very little chance for that though.
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    2. trained by Sith , but not a Sith ,thought trained by Sith,:::wierdo but most likely this will be the outcome.
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    3. he is older than a Sith, some primordial Dark Side thing.
     
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