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Who you gonna call? - Ghostbusters (2016 All Female Reboot)

Discussion in 'Film' started by D1474, Jan 28, 2015.

  1. AstromechRecords

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    Yeah exactly and that's my problem right there ... oh and the stupid dubstep remix
     
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    I don't get the hate towards reboots either tbh. You can think about them how you want, but there are original movies and the don't do as great. We have to be honest to ourselves, originality isn't the key. And whenever we see something original we start to compare it to previous movies. They do reboots because they work.

    So since boxoffice success isn't really plan-able and studios follow the money, there is one simple method to avoid a movie don't Maclunkey see it and stop hating. See a ban or avoidance of reboots from studio side isn't even necessary.
     
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    Yeah the bottom line is tentpole franchises so literally every single movie, big or small, is being attempted to turn into a franchise so really we can't avoid reboots as much as we try and the only way to do it would be is to inject that originality within the same universe...a good example is the upcoming "Powers" tv show that is an entirely new spin on comic books about cleaning up after the superheroes or something like that but the point is that if it can be done whole originally while still CO-EXISTING then it's a lot better that way so it can be both critically and financially stable instead of potentially paying for likes similar to what WB was convicted of earlier today..
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    and for the record, box office success is totally plannable in presale releases across various territories which what has been happening for studiso for a long time and a model that indies are taking on now
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    I don't even see us try, when you look up the last 15 years of releases, there were original movies and they didn't do great as some franchises and the discussions are all the same. Just an example look up an upcoming actress or actor, I bet you will see a "looks like" thread on IMDB. We are used to compare and see patterns since the evolution started, so why even try to be original. I don't even know what that means: even the oldest mythologies and an ancients texts are just the writing down of a moth by moth word transferred and retold for decades and centuries .

    Well, then plan it and make a dime. There are reasons why trusts and fond are backing out. There are reasons why they play safe, and why you only have big movie budgets and small ones but less and less of those around 50m -100m. What you are talking about is a industry with plan-able profits, once that exists all jump on it, I don't see that in movie business atm, even D was scared when Lone Ranger and John Carter bombed, those weren't even awful movies, but they had to buy LFL afterwards. Kickstarter films don't pop up because people drown in money.
     
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    I'm not talking about kickstarter films...for example, my company works with budgets of $2.5 - $10 all while being pre-sellable to various distribution territories so plannable profits exist. the thing about these blockbusters is that they write off a lot up front so what they're making is a constant profit even though it's a "loss" its very complicated and the FUN nickname it's given is Hollywood Accounting...and going back into Ghostbusters, it would mean that regardless of what's being made, it's ROI + profit return is going to be great regardless but the only clarification they want versus what they can get is based on being at an average minimum of 151% over the budget when released although breaking evne itself is technically considered a succeess depending on what markets it's released in...
     
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    This is the crux of the problem right here. The Wall Street mentality of the modern studio makes them incredibly risk averse. They don't make original movies anymore, because they are unpredictable. A 50m original movie could have a higher profitability than a current tent-pole, but it can also crash and burn. A movie based on an existing property has built in familiarity with audiences. Whether is based on a best seller, a comic book, a sequel to a long dormant franchise, or a full reboot, people will see it because they know what to expect. A new movie is risky. And in a climate where fewer and fewer original movies exist, the mainstream audiences become even more risk averse only exasperating the problem.

    Unless people start seeing the original films (which they don't) there will be more and more of these reboots, and fewer and fewer original movies. It will probably hit a turning point somewhere in the future and there will be a massive backlash against these things. But I'd hope that wouldn't happen. A backlash will mean throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Meaning stuff like Star Wars may go back into storage until there is another wave of nostalgia driven blockbusters. It would be nice if audiences saw original films and reboots/sequels in equal amounts so we could have the best of both worlds. But a mainstream film goer, when presented with something new and something familiar, will most times chose something familiar to lower their risk of wasting their 12 bucks.
     
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    You mean "budgets of $2.5-$10" in millions of dollars, correct?:confused:
     
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    Maybe he makes flip books?
     
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    I understand Hollywood's mentality of immediate success and dollars, but some of the best or cult hit movies made in the last 30 years weren't box office smashes. Movies like Shawshank Redemption or Breakfast Club really didn't make huge opening weekends, but their re-watchability remains when current movies are forgotten about within 3 weeks of coming out. Originality has its own rewards.

    The problem with Ghostbusters 3 is that it is a hijack of sorts, of something fanboys, and girls, having loved it for decades, and always hoped the original crew would get together and make another one but it didn't happen. So instead of an evolution of the originals, making the lead a child of one of the Original 4, they give us 4 new girls, who aren't really funny anymore and who really don't respect the originals at all. And if you make a film that has a reputation for being anti male, then you probably shouldn't fan the flames by having the 4 girls shoot the bad guy in the crotch to kill him!
     
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    Yes, we are expecting a behavior we are not familiar with, anymore.

    We get the movies we deserve, as sad as it is.
     
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    Yes, ghostbusters is a dox'd hijack.
    That said, I got a lot of pro critics saying the ladies are funny. I know those trailers; I watched them too. I came to the same conclusions. But only the most negative of the reviews are saying the women aren't funny.
     
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    I meant I don't find their style of comedy funny. McCarthy does the same character in all her movies, even the same vocal delivery. Bridesmaids was mildly funny, but mostly awkward. I agree with one particular critic who stated that they missed an opportunity with Jones. Why complain about the same stereotypical roles for black women, and then make her exactly that; a spoof of a loud mouthed, borderline racist New Yorker. Why not make the scientist character that mimics Egon a smart, attractive black woman instead?
     
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    Interesting. Leslie Jones' character was actually written for McCarthy, but they shyed away from it because Feig thought it was too similar to the roles she normally plays.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...-ghostbusters-role-melissa-mccarthy/81635958/

    But event with that aside, the "same character" thing has been a problem for comedians forever. Way back to Charlie Chaplin. And pretty much including every SNL vet turned movie star ever released on the world, including the cast of the original GB. Unlike dramatic actors, comedians seem to create personality first in most cases, and then find roles that fit the public persona they created. Ten years from now, McCarthy will test the waters in more dramatic parts to either mixed results and fading into obscurity (like Moranis and Akroyd) or reinventing her career late in life as a successful actor(like Murray). There are comedians out there who are actors first, but they are rare. In most cases it's less about deciding whether you think they can act and more whether their personality is your cup of tea. Many people seem to like McCarthy shtick, so I'd guess it's a hit for the majority. I don't think I've ever actually seen one of her movies yet. So, I reserve judgment. But her nerdy scientist thing she's doing in the trailer for GB did seem more appealing to me than what I've seen in the past.
     
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    In trillions :p but yeah---millions.
     
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    Well, I'm sure it's not that easy to get 2.5m-10m.
     
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    Oh it definitely is not which is why studios have their own investment pools to draw from which is why they can make all sorts of movies like ghostbusters and still lose money while making a "profit.
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    Numbers at Noon EST for Ghostbusters


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    I keep hearing that the Thursday night previews here and and the UK screenings in general haven't done that well. The latter owes itself due to opening at the beginning of the week, plus heavy competition from a movie aimed at the same demographic. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out, but it looks like The Secret Life Of Pets is going to take the #1 spot again this weekend.
     
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    Okay, back from what will be my first, and only, screening of ghostbusters.
    Capsule Review:
    This is not Avengers. But it aint Trankville either. If you think Pacific Rim and The Wolverine are @#$% movies.. don't bother watching this. It's on the border of average and good.. and it's being chased by good's border patrol through the Sonora.;)

    Okay so a more detailed analysis w/o going full XM:A like I did last time..
    The script is average.. wonky kind of average. It's good at times.. and a real stinker at others.
    The plot is simple, easy to understand. The flow is good.
    The tone of the movie is pretty good. It's just that right mix of comedy and horror with an understanding of the paranormal source material the original films were based on.
    Bill Murray finds a way to die in this film. All the cameos were pretty good. Even the cartoon ghost gets a cameo.:D
    "Ghost Corps".. yeah, I don't know what that is either but it's in front of the movie.:confused:
    The opening scene is awesome. Dispels any fears about the tone of the movie.:)
    The fake tv news is cheap as hell and is a real dealkiller for your suspension of disbelief.:mad:
    If you liked Dopender in Deadpool his actor plays another courier role in this one.:)
    If your wondering about why the Chinese Government banned this film, it aint because of the ghosts.. This film takes a #%@ on Chinese Restaurants... A few less jokes about dishwater in the wonton soup, Sony, and maybe the market #2 will let you play ball.:p
    The actual film has very little manbashing or 3rd wave feminism in it. Feig was not afraid to let the girls be girls or even dress as "Ms. Male". I can't say that for Rey's costume, or her character.:oops: Patti's pitfall joke is one of only two times this film touches on SJW material.. the other being the Docent's routine at the old mansion.
    Pointless cameo of Ozzy Ozzbourne... why!?
    Most of the music in this movie is good, with several plays of the classic theme. They got the memo about how much fallout boy's song sucks. It's only played once for about 45 seconds. They also got the memo about fan anger over the 'dance routine' and edited it out of the main film. It is however in the end credits...
    ..which is it's own gripe. The scenes in the credits shows what you really came to see for a brief few seconds. If you remember the 13 seconds of real costumes in XM:A, that's what your getting here. The end credits are a trainwreck; I have no idea what the hell they were doing. That said, I don't hold it against the main film; football teams aren't judged by their sidelines.
    Holtzmann is.. Holtzmann. She likes dangerous things. Critics have said she's original.. I've seen at least one character like Holtzmann before, but I can't remember where.. Holtzmann is a borderline Max Landis Mary Sue. She has one moment were she's in big trouble and needs Patti to rescue her; other than that she's good with everything.
    Okay, so the worst part of this film.. is the Government. The whole thing in Feig's original pitch about the Government denying the GBs and then helping them behind their backs.. It's all there! And it all sucks! :mad:
    The final battle pulls a "Garbage Pail Kids" in it's night/day settings.. and does it twice.:eek: I'm assuming the vortex caused this, but it's not well shown.
    One last thing: The CGI ghost. Now that I've seen that CGI in context with the tone of the film, I'm starting to think what they were trying to do is get the look of the 80s PFX produced ghosts with their computers.

    Final recomendation: Digital download. If you have to watch it in the theatre watch it in standard with a matinee.
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    My theatre was at 40% capacity. Gender was about an even mix.
     
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    I sense lots of mixed feelings in your review ;). Sounds about like I expected, another reboot that is a mixed bad, not outright terrible but not really all that good either.
     
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