Why a "Gray" Force, if true, will ruin Star Wars and the Sequels

You my fine ewok are not alone.

#greyisnotaway

Now you like me are looking at dark and light as analogs of good and evil. Which I think is correct. Those who want grey or want "the dogmatic jedi order to phase out." I think they are looking at the force more broadly and that dark and light are not necessarily good and bad.

My thoughts recently is even if you hate the Jedi order of the prequels in the ivory tower. Their inability to disentangle themselves from a corrupt power, arrogance, their insistence on tradition over compassion are examples of ways the jedi themselves were imperfect they were failures to do good. The solution shouldn't be the abandonment of trying to do good or spice things up with more anti hero angst.

 

Done? You will definitely be done? A Jedi doesn't deal with absolutes only an EMO Sith...hahahah. I trust RJ's storytelling. Every time, I watch Looper I love it more and more, his other two films were spot on, especially the Brothers Bloom and Brick.

He is a great writer and storyteller. It kills me how some fans will abandon the Star Wars fandom if things don't necessarily go their way, it ludicrous. We are fans, we don't write the scripts, we are not part of the Lucas film story group, and sure enough don't direct the films, so it really amazes me when some fans treat their outlandish theories as if it were canon... hahahah... in your dreams.

We are all here to discuss Star Wars theories and speculation. Most of my friends are no longer Star Wars Fans because of the prequels, so I come here to have healthy conversations. It disturbs me when someone gets angry if their theory is not well received. I think that is unhealthy. I'm going in TLJ with an open mind hoping to see a great story which I believe RJ can deliver.

 

Who needs Vader when there could be.... Bendu? A great character endeed. He will make movie history.
"I was the one in the middle of the bed, but I didn't touch your mom. Search your feelings... you know it's true"
"Noooooooooooooo!"

Sorry, it was too much fun

 

Well no one knows what will happen. But most of the conversation I have seen is what has happened in the past films and what possibilities of what changing perspectives or retconning the core philosophy of the films. The new writers can do what they want. I would prefer they don't deviate away from Lucas' ideals.


That has nothing to do with my opinion of RJ's other films. I liked Looper. But how far over the shark in my view they are going to jump if they dump the jedi.

Might still be great movies, very entertaining, exiting and all but they will loose internal consistency and they will I won't like the core morality of the film. I see plenty of good movies I disagree with but I don't want it to be Star Wars.

 

I think a lot of people are afraid of the dichotomy of Good and Bad, these days. There is no right or wrong. There is no black and white. There is no light or dark. Three is no responsibility for one's actions. There is no consequence. There is no honor, integrity, valor or greatness...because it shines an exposing light on those that do not have it...And it is easier to scorn Goodness than to aspire to it.

 

what a bunch of alarmists! a 2 minute trailer with next to no context and everyone is freaking out!

 

What did you expect? Star Wars fans love to overanalyze every tiny bit of content they get.

 

Doom and Gloom and Freaking Out are the only reasons I come here!
But I'm only happy when it rains.

 

Bigger, broader, wider understanding all great.

Finding out that the Jedi were not really worth aspiring to that's what worries me. Luke (and millions of children who aspired to be like him) for 40 tears brought the jedi back and it was good, cause they were good burn that connection and you burn part of what connects many people to the films.

 

The way I see it, there are several possibilities-

1) Everyone goes to the middle. This seems to be what OP is suggesting, but I find it to be pretty unlikely.

2) Luke's lapse of faith is but a stumble, and he'll be Team Jedi before long again. I don't know how likely this is. I think it'll appease a lot of fans who aren't willing to think of the Jedi outside of their comfort zone, but I think it'd be a disservice to the storytelling to do something so relatively simplistic.

3) The Grey is a philosophical shift of mind, but "Good" and "Evil" will still exist. This, I find most likely and appealing.


The Force has its roots heavily in Eastern philosophy. In a philosophy that includes something referred to literally as The Middle Path. I think that something like The Grey meshes pretty well, particularly when compared to the selfish indulgences of the Sith and the bureaucracy and dogma of the Jedi. I think we'll still have evil and we'll still have good- I think we'll just have to be a little more observant about how we perceive it from now on.

 

personally, i'm more excited than ever to see TLJ. they did exactly what they needed to do with that trailer: create a ton of conflict without really saying anything.

if the effectiveness of the trailer isn't enough to get you pumped for this movie, then nothing short of a story dump via Reddit or MSW will suffice.

 

This is funny, since Luke was the first "gray Jedi" that we saw in Star Wars. But please, continue with the freak out.

 

How is he grey?

I mean as far as I understand it "grey" jedi are purely an EU invention.

Honest question.

 

I agree entirely with the OP. And so does George Lucas. Star Wars is about good vs evil not sometimes bad against mediocre evil guys.

This is a mythology for kids - The Jedi represent what "we" should all aspire to be. If the story deviates from that then it will cease to be the mythology I love. I'll go back to Lucas' canon thanks - not this gobbledygook.

For me, deviating from the Sith was bad enough. But you can argue that there are other forms of evil. But to deviate from the Jedi is nonsensical. Their roots in compassion, selflessness and love is the height of what any light side faction could reach. It's what set them apart and made them masters of their side of the Force.

Someone who remains in the middle is a master of nothing.